Heard about this on diggnation, dug up the digg article and watched part of this film. Basically, it's from the 30's or 40's and shows a bunch of Russian experiments in bringing various organs back to life and keeping them alive and functioning outside of a body. The highlight is about 5 and a half minutes in, where they connect a dog's severed head, just it's head, to a simple mechanism that pumps blood and oxygen into it, reviving it. The head responds to stimuli, light, sound, touch, and frickin licks around it's mouth when an acid is applied. It's wicked creepy, and I'm not to happy about the prospect of going to sleep now after seeing it so recently.

If you have a weak stomach, I'd suggest passing on this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiq3K_26MWc

here's the digg aritcle, btw:
http://digg.com/videos_educational/Russian..._only_the_head_

Sometimes it looks really fake, but either way, pretty cool.

Agh! It's real!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiments_i...al_of_Organisms

*shudders*

Seems as though there's a bit of controversy though. And you can never know, with those evil Soviets.

Yes, but the controversy was over the film, not the actual experiments.





Another interesting tidbit:

What the hell do you mean "evil"? They gave us the technology for blood transfusions, mechanical organs, etc. through these experiments. Thousands upon thousands of lives have been saved thanks to their work, and you call it evil? You are no better than those [censored] opposing stem cell research and condom use to prevent AIDS transmission.

The soviets, and russia, have made insane breakthroughs in medical technology, as shown by this video. That's not evil, that's science, and it's saving lives every day.

Try not to bypass the word filter please.

I am totally supportive of stem cell research and condom-use. But what the Soviets did was just wrong. Now, South Korea, they are saving lives.

They killed a couple dogs ([bleeped!], maybe the dogs died of natural causes, I dunno) and then experimented on them. Thanks to their research, thousands upon thousands of humans are saved thanks to blood transfusion technology that wouldnt have likely been created without their research. If you support killing off human embryos to supplement research that could save thousands of lives, how in the hell can you denounce this? You are just opposed to anything that comes out of russia or came out of the soviet union, no matter how great it is. THAT is wrong. What they did and are doing wasnt and isnt, and is saving lives every day. I dont give a darn what south korea is doing. If they're saving lives, great. So is the technology developed by the soviets.

The only difference around here is that we tend to use monkeys instead of dogs.

I'm not talking about the killing of the dogs. I'm talking about what the Soviets did in general. They did a lot of despicable things, things worthy of animosity.

You mean like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

Sounds like the Cultural Revolution.

Except the Cultural Revolution was stupid. I'm talking about a world with no Christianity here. It's what John Lennon dreamed of. A utopia.

So has everyone. There has never been a government in existance that hasn't done something absolutly horrendus, whether it be in politics, science, warfare, whatever. The soviets put out a lot of good technology, regardless of anything else they did, and that deserves respect.

Switzerland? South Korea? India? I can name a lot more.

There has never been a single innocent killed, disfigured, or maimed as a result of an action taken by their government? Never a person stricken with some life threatening illness due to either clandestine government experiments with toxic substances, or simply insufficient public health protection laws? I find that EXTREMELY difficult to beleive. There has never been a government that never commited a heinous act. Ever. And for you to not aknowledge the greatness of a country's medical technological advances that save thousands of lives each year, simply because that country's government commited some OTHER act that you find immoral, is worse than any act that country could have ever committed. Germany gives us great automobiles, you constantly praise them for that. Remember what ELSE Germany is famous for? Germany murdered millions of innocents simply based upon their race or creed, and you praise their automobiles. The USSR builds some nukes, runs a tyrannical government, and fails to correctly implement communism, and you wont aknowledge the greatness of their introduction of BLOOD TRANSFUSION TECH? That saves hundreds of lives every day? You hypocritical bastard. I hope you die a slow and painful death.

Warned for flamebait.

I'm not talking about the government resulting in one death, I'm talking about a government where a lot of people die.

Like Germany?

Precicely. myscrnnm praises them constantly for their mechanical engineering, and yet they had the frickin halocaust. A few people died during the Soviet's tyranical rule, and suddenly all their medical research that saves lives every day is invalid.

The Russians are largly athiest

A few?! 20,000,000 is a few?!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin

Yes, yes it is, considering that Stalin wasn't responsible for the medical research, and therefore the research shouldnt be dismissed because of his actions, AND because (after some math) Hitler was responsible for at least 10,530,000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust#Death_toll) and yet YOU praise Germany's MOTHER HUMPING AUTOMOBILES!!! There is seriously something wrong with your thought process if you can praise the Germans for something as insignificant as automobiles, in lou of the holocaust, and yet dismiss something as great as blood transfusion technology because of something the Soviet government did. Your out of your mother humping gourd.

Im Not exactly the greatest fan of russian but i do have to admit, without them, more people would have died then they killed. we prob wouldend be sitting here on kl if it wasent for the russians, so many of us would have never been born so many people would have died, they did more good then they caused harm, germany on the other hand... well... i dont exactly think that automobiles make up for a holocost

So are all the other formerly Communist countries.

Precisely my point

And you want to know why? Communism is about the good of the people. It's a proven fact that theistic societies dont do very much good for the masses. They realize such, and Atheism becomes part of the ideology of communism.

also, much of the united states' space technology was stolen from the USSR, and had it not been for the space race, the united states would not have put a man on the moon nearly as fas as they did.

not only this but the U.S. built just as many nukes and hydrogen bombs than the soviet Union. enough in fact, to decimate the population of the world 36 times.

also Myscrnnm, you alway praise the Japanese for almost everything, but you ignore their horrendous treatment of the chinese and the phillipino death march of WWII.

That's cuz their automobiles are just so good. And the Germans said sorry and everything, so I think we should just let bygones be bygones. I mean, what is done is done, at least they said sorry.

That's cuz the Japanese are just so good! Pretty much everything about the Japanese is good! And that's no hyperbole, I really mean it. I mean, their cars, technology, computers, crime rate, houses, architecture, people, porn, movies, food, drinks, everything!

The Russian's also apologized, yet you do not just let "bygones be bygones"

I never said the japanese were bad overall. I simply said that they have also had their share of horrendous war crimes.

Well, apparently they didn't apologize enough, cuz I didn't hear about it. But this is different, cuz I didn't say the Russians, I said the Soviets, which were a type of Russian. That being said, Russia does have some pretty hot girls.

Well, the war crimes weren't nearly as bad as some others, *ah hem* Soviets, *cough cough*.

some of the hottest.

anyway, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes#War_crimes

This is what I'm talkin' about.

I'm not saying that Japan didn't do some questionable stuff, but they've apologized a lot. And the only reason they're still under fire about this is cuz those Chinese commies keep on talking about it. The Japanese just don't understand for a very good reason, there's no reason to live in the past, like I said, what is done is done, we have to move forward.

nice

this doesn't really matter anyway as the soviet union is gone. there is nobody to forgive.

The soviets apologized, although I dont see why they should, it was Stalin's fault anyways, much the same as the holocaust was Hitler's fault. Regardless, there is absolutly no reason for you to be so condescending towards Soviet medical technology that saves lives every day, just because of what their government did, and it's absolutly hypocritical for you to turn around and praise these other countries for advancements that are nearly worthless in comparison to blood transfusion technology, even though those countries' governments did things equally horrendus.

can we just agree that all governments that make major advancements in medicine and science have also make equaly major war crimes.

No, cuz that's not always the case. I mean, look at South Africa, nothing there. South Korea, nothing there either.

That;s exactly what I'm agreeing to, but myscrnnm doesnt seem to see it this way, the hypocritical wing-nut that he is.

No, it's not about how it's seen. It's about how it really is. And what it really is is that South Korea hasn't really done any war crimes, let alone big ones.

myscrnnm has a point, but those are exceptions, the standard is otherwise.

I wouldn't say there's a standard, although there are often correlations. But usually it varies.

South Korea isn't the focal point of discussion here. Your hypocrisy is.

Stalin kills 20 million, the Soviets apologize, and vital medical advancements made by the Soviets are not aknowledged. Hitler kills over 10 million, the Germans apologize, and German mother humping cars are worth praising.

If you dont answer this issue, it proves that you have no answer, that you are wrong, and admit your hypocrisy.

No, I think the point of the discussion should turn to you being wrong, cuz you were agreeing about how all the governments with countries that make medical innovations also have large war crimes, which is just outright false.

myscrnnm is not being hypocrcritical, he just feels that automobiles are a very important part of the economy and society, which they are.

Indeed they are. Humans rely on them for fast personal transport to cover large areas. Plus, it's also a tribute to the human civilization.

I completely agree with you, although they are probably not quite as much of a contribution to humanity as blood transfusions.

Grantedly, blood transfusions are quite an innovation. But I hate those [bleeped!]s that would use used syringes and hypodermic needles to give people stuff like HIV, hepatitis, et cetera.

when done professionally there is no way to get it. needles are disposed after one use and the blood is thoroughly tested first.

Yeah, but prior to 1985, they used needles like there was no tomorrow.

yes, but that was prior to AIDS getting totally out of control.

But still, it was getting spread a lot by that.

absolutely, because prior to that little was known about how AIDS speads.

My point exactly.