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guitar_freak22
Earlier today, my account had been accessed without my knowledge by a friend. I may have said some things or posted things or done things.....that I would normally not do. If I banned anyone, or I mean, if anyone has been banned that you know of, let me know. I have check out KL and have not found any trace of anything wrong, so be on the lookout anyway.

I have changed my password so that this will not happen again.
Herloss
I havn't seen anything out of the ordinary.
Alecto
Me neither.
chuck
I haven't seen anything either, so your friend must be alot like you. try checking the my last 10 posts thing in your assistant.
S.W.A.T
Nope,nothing.
myscrnnm
All I can say is that it wasn't me.
Herloss
QUOTE(myscrnnm @ Aug 26 2006, 07:34 PM)
All I can say is that it wasn't me.
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Good way to make yourself look innocent. /sarcasm
myscrnnm
QUOTE(Herloss @ Aug 26 2006, 05:48 PM)
Good way to make yourself look innocent. /sarcasm
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Hey, I'm not hacker.
Herloss
QUOTE(myscrnnm @ Aug 26 2006, 08:50 PM)
Hey, I'm not hacker.
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Hey, I take offense to your quickness to deny being a hacker, for it shows your ignorance of just what a hacker is. The act committed by GF's friend (who he said it was anyways, removing all blame from anyone else, including you) would be described as cracking.

I'm a hacker. I'm not necessarily a cracker.
myscrnnm
QUOTE(Herloss @ Aug 26 2006, 05:59 PM)
Hey, I take offense to your quickness to deny being a hacker, for it shows your ignorance of just what a hacker is. The act committed by GF's friend (who he said it was anyways, removing all blame from anyone else, including you) would be described as cracking.

I'm a hacker. I'm not necessarily a cracker.
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All I heard was that someone was hacking into someone's account.
Herloss
QUOTE(myscrnnm @ Aug 26 2006, 09:18 PM)
All I heard was that someone was hacking into someone's account.
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No, you heard that someone had unauthorized access to GF's account, which is cracking. Not hacking, especially considering his friend probobly didnt have to do very much to get access.
myscrnnm
QUOTE(Herloss @ Aug 26 2006, 06:25 PM)
No, you heard that someone had unauthorized access to GF's account, which is cracking. Not hacking, especially considering his friend probobly didnt have to do very much to get access.
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You're kind of going like, "an SUV isn't an automobile". Cracking is a type of hacking. Therefore, it is technically correct to refer to this instance as hacking.
Herloss
QUOTE(myscrnnm @ Aug 26 2006, 09:32 PM)
You're kind of going like, "an SUV isn't an automobile". Cracking is a type of hacking. Therefore, it is technically correct to refer to this instance as hacking.
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It's still not proper to refer to hacking as cracking. Hacking is a mindset, a skill, that trancends all parts of ones life, not just that spent on a computer. In fact, the access to GF's account was most likely gained either by guessing his password, or by some script-kiddie activity, which involved no thought or technique, and would therefore NOT fall under hacking. Cracking is not necessarily hacking.

It's like referring to the WWE as Martial Arts.
myscrnnm
QUOTE(Herloss @ Aug 26 2006, 07:26 PM)
It's still not proper to refer to hacking as cracking. Hacking is a mindset, a skill, that trancends all parts of ones life, not just that spent on a computer. In fact, the access to GF's account was most likely gained either by guessing his password, or by some script-kiddie activity, which involved no thought or technique, and would therefore NOT fall under hacking. Cracking is not necessarily hacking.

It's like referring to the WWE as Martial Arts.
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No, that's different, WWE (I presume you mean wrestling) and martial arts are two different things. Martial arts is designed for the purpose of self-defense. The two are in the realm of hand-to-hand/CQC combat. Whereas cracking is a subset within hacking. Wrestling and martial arts are two subsets, not one large group.
Mynck
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_definition_controversy

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Among some computer programmers in good standing with the technical community, the words hacker and hacking are used more often in the admiring or awed sense of a skilled software developer. People favoring this usage typically look with dismay on the usage of the term as a synonym for security cracking.

In the non-technical community, the word hacker most often describes someone who "hacks into" a system by evading or disabling security measures.

Come on, myscrnnm! Get with the non-non-technical program!



QUOTE(guitar_freak22 @ Aug 26 2006, 10:27 AM)
Earlier today, my account had been accessed without my knowledge by a friend.  I may have said some things or posted things or done things.....that I would normally not do.  If I banned anyone, or I mean, if anyone has been banned that you know of, let me know.  I have check out KL and have not found any trace of anything wrong, so be on the lookout anyway.

I have changed my password so that this will not happen again.
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Join the club.
myscrnnm
QUOTE(Mynck @ Aug 26 2006, 09:40 PM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_definition_controversy
Come on, myscrnnm! Get with the non-non-technical program!
Join the club.
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QUOTE(Wikipedia)
A black hat (also called a cracker or Darkside hacker) is a malicious or criminal hacker. This term is seldom used outside of the security industry and by some modern programmers. The general public uses the term hacker to refer to the same thing. In computer jargon the meaning of "hacker" can be much broader. The name comes from the opposite of White Hat hackers.

Redirected from 'security cracking'.
Mynck
Technically, cracking might be considered a form of hacking. But it's just disgraceful. I repeat:

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Among some computer programmers in good standing with the technical community, the words hacker and hacking are used more often in the admiring or awed sense of a skilled software developer. People favoring this usage typically look with dismay on the usage of the term as a synonym for security cracking.
myscrnnm
QUOTE(Mynck @ Aug 26 2006, 09:48 PM)
Technically, cracking might be considered a form of hacking. But it's just disgraceful. I repeat:
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It falls into the category of hacking. I understand what you're trying to say, like not being able to call Marines soldiers, but honestly, you are being pretty hypocritical when you said that Internet browsers can be engines, et cetera, and now saying that cracking isn't hacking.
Mynck
Meh. Some people don't like it when the meaning of the word "hacker" is stained. I'm not really one of those people, but I can understand how they feel.

There's no such controversy over browsers being called engines, as far as I know.

And a quick Wikipedia search reveals that the word "engine" applies to a broader range than most people would think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine
Herloss
QUOTE(Mynck @ Aug 27 2006, 03:04 AM)
Meh. Some people don't like it when the meaning of the word "hacker" is stained. I'm not really one of those people, but I can understand how they feel.
I'm not fricking talking in general terms. I'm speaking of what occurred. The act of gaining access to a frickin IPB account takes no thought, no technique, NOTHING that is associated with hacking. It is purely mediocre cracking that does not fall under hacking.
Bobalini
Its not even cracking, all the guy did was find out GF's password, it required no "cracking" at all, i wouldent even define it as hacking or cracking all he did was put in a password, and gained access to his account, IE no cracking required.

Cracking is gaining unwanted access to a computer with the intent to destroy data, opposite of hacking which is to gain access to a computer to view and copy data without destroying anything except log files.

Herloss
QUOTE(Bobalini @ Aug 27 2006, 12:59 PM)
Cracking is gaining unwanted access to a computer with the intent to destroy data, opposite of hacking which is to gain access to a computer to view and copy data without destroying anything except log files.
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Actually, cracking is just gaining access. Whether you're white or black hat, it's still cracking. Hacking is the general mindset of using something in a way that it wasn't meant to. Here's an example. The throttle cable on my lawnmower kept pulling the switch back and causing it to stall. I simply cut the cable and then used a paper clip to hold the throttle switch all the way foreward. That's a hack. I use guitar and bass strings to guage my ear piercing. That's a hack.

MacGyver, although a fictional character, would be considered a 1337 hacker.
Bobalini
MacGyver, although a fictional character, would be considered a 1337 hacker.
Umm no, in the terms of a computer, macgyver is a $|_|p3r ultra N00b
i was not speaking in the terms on a non technacal situation. and even in a non technacal situation macgyver is in no way a hacker. he is not gaining access to anything, he is breaking out of strange situations with every day items.
Herloss
QUOTE(Bobalini @ Aug 27 2006, 01:19 PM)
MacGyver, although a fictional character, would be considered a 1337 hacker.
Umm no, in the terms of a computer, macgyver is a $|_|p3r ultra N00b
i was not speaking in the terms on a non technacal situation. and even in a non technacal situation macgyver is in no way a hacker. he is not gaining access to anything, he is breaking out of strange situations with every day items.
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How many times do I have to say it? Hacking is NOT the act of gaining access to systems. It is the ART of using one's creativity to use things in a way that they were not meant to be used. Computers and their programs were not meant to be used to access other people's computers without their consent. Therefore, gaining access into someone's system without their consent by exploring their security system and using one's creativity to find a way in is a hack, but that one section of hacking is NOT all of hacking. MacGyver was a hacker. He was a hell of a good hacker. He used every day items in ways that they were not meant to be used in order to solve a problem. Crackers use every day things (computers, telephone lines, computer programs) in ways that they were not meant to be used to solve the problem of gaining access to someone's computer system or account.

Hacking, by definition, does not neccessitate the use of modern technology.
guitar_freak22
QUOTE(Mynck @ Aug 26 2006, 11:40 PM)
Join the club.
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Hmmm....point well taken. Although it was strange that nothing happened. I have check my last 10 posts thing and nothing out of the ordinary was there. Oh well, no one will ever be able to guess my password. I had to right it down to remember it. I keep it hidden though....and I don't know where I hid it either....hmmm, that could be a problem. bonk.gif
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