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So, who's using it?
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You mean Vista? (Moved to OS section.) Vista Beta 2 has been out for a while.
Anyways, at my work I've installed it on someone's computer, he didnt' like it. Also, one of my friends also installed it and didn't like it either.
I've seen teh interface, and tried it for 1/2 an hour or so, and my first judgement is that I dont' really like it.
Anyways, at my work I've installed it on someone's computer, he didnt' like it. Also, one of my friends also installed it and didn't like it either.
I've seen teh interface, and tried it for 1/2 an hour or so, and my first judgement is that I dont' really like it.
QUOTE(lappy512 @ Jul 18 2006, 08:45 PM)
You mean Vista? (Moved to OS section.) Vista Beta 2 has been out for a while.
Anyways, at my work I've installed it on someone's computer, he didnt' like it. Also, one of my friends also installed it and didn't like it either.
I've seen teh interface, and tried it for 1/2 an hour or so, and my first judgement is that I dont' really like it.
Anyways, at my work I've installed it on someone's computer, he didnt' like it. Also, one of my friends also installed it and didn't like it either.
I've seen teh interface, and tried it for 1/2 an hour or so, and my first judgement is that I dont' really like it.
Dude, this includes Office 12, so it has to go in the Software section.
Shut up. Lappy has spoken.
I won't risk my computer on it
. I'll stick with XP...
I won't risk my computer on it
. I'll stick with XP...
wow some powerful words there, "shut up lappy has spoken." that should be the case for all instances where lappy has spoken and someone argues, im adding that to my sig, thx 
any way i wouldent risk my computer on it either.
any way i wouldent risk my computer on it either.
Or - shut up, your 24 hour suspension has spoken .
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QUOTE(Spaceman3750 @ Jul 19 2006, 01:09 PM)
Or - shut up, your 24 hour suspension has spoken .
.LOL YAY another thing to add to my sig of things to say to know it alls when they get anoying!
QUOTE(Spaceman3750 @ Jul 19 2006, 11:02 AM)
Shut up. Lappy has spoken.
Swearing, warned, 24 hour suspension. I didn't intend for my post to be flamebait, but I will take the warn if it was.
QUOTE(Spaceman3750 @ Jul 19 2006, 10:52 AM)
I didn't intend for my post to be flamebait, but I will take the warn if it was.
Pretty much everything you say is flamebait to him.
The least he could do was make the bgcolor of his image the same color 
Don't like the interface, don't like the system requirements. Linux and Windows 2k for gaming >_<
Don't like the interface, don't like the system requirements. Linux and Windows 2k for gaming >_<
In hindsight, I could have double-warned him for swearing and bypassing the filter .
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LOL his 24 hour suspension has spoken o_O way to predict the future spacey, your scaring me now...
QUOTE(Genesis @ Jul 19 2006, 05:16 PM)
Don't like the interface, don't like the system requirements. Linux and Windows 2k for gaming >_<
Argh, you just don't understand, for such a powerful operating system, the system requirements are quite lenient. 800MHz? Honestly, who uses anything less than 2GHz these days (with the exception of mobile processors like Pentium Ms and Core Duos)?! And 512MB? You have to at least be using 1GB these days. And don't even get me started on the HDD requirements, 15GB minimum. If you're using a desktop, you have to at least have 100GB, and if a notebook, at bare minimum, 20GB. Also, the interface has been revamped so that it can appeal to a much larger audience. I'll admit, the dumbing down has sometimes seemed too dumb, but it's a lot easier to use for common people.
QUOTE(myscrnnm @ Jul 22 2006, 10:08 PM)
Argh, you just don't understand, for such a powerful operating system, the system requirements are quite lenient. 800MHz?
For one thing, 800MHz is the minimum. Meaning that it will run on 800MHz, but it sure won't run well. For another thing, I'm not sure I need all that power.QUOTE
I'll admit, the dumbing down has sometimes seemed too dumb, but it's a lot easier to use for common people.
Too bad most of us here aren't common people.
QUOTE(Mynck @ Jul 22 2006, 11:47 PM)
For one thing, 800MHz is the minimum. Meaning that it will run on 800MHz, but it sure won't run well. For another thing, I'm not sure I need all that power.
Too bad most of us here aren't common people.
Too bad most of us here aren't common people.
The thing is, like I said, no one uses anything below 2GHz on a desktop. And even on a notebook, the lowest now is like 1GHz, at bare minimum. Plus, we've got more multi-core CPUs on the way.
It's always about you, you, you, isn't it? Well, allow me to disillusion you all, the world isn't just made up of you. There are more than 6 billion other people out there, at least half a billion of which are going to be looking towards buying computers. Do you think the majority of those people know what C++ is? What PHP is? What a Cat5 cable is? How to write HTML? Well, in any case, the fact is, the majority of those people actually don't know what those things are. And with a consumer product like Windows, it's not about developers, developers, developers. It's about the people, and giving them what they want. With a product that will be so widely used, it's literally impossible for Microsoft's staff of 60,000+ to cater to the unique needs of each consumer and custom-tailor the OS. So Microsoft has to do what is best for everyone by creating a product that can be used not only by smart people, but by all people. It's about selflessness, something all of you have yet to understand.
So, I'm supposed to use something designed to suit the needs of people very different from me?
That's like... a fat person wearing size zero pants!
Except not physically impossible.
That's like... a fat person wearing size zero pants!
Except not physically impossible.
QUOTE(Mynck @ Jul 22 2006, 11:57 PM)
So, I'm supposed to use something designed to suit the needs of people very different from me?
That's like... a fat person wearing size zero pants!
Except not physically impossible.
That's like... a fat person wearing size zero pants!
Except not physically impossible.
Wrong, your analogy is just plain stupid. Pants are completely different. With pants, there are so many tailors out there that can do this stuff for you. But with an operating system, it's totally different, it's not something that the company can just modify in an instant at your whim. And Windows Vista is not designed for people very different from you, it's designed for each and every person who wishes for an operating system to do anything from increase productivity, to playing a game. People are already pissed off enough about the six editions being released, why make them any madder by creating hundreds of editions? Another problem you have is the inability to think of this situation from the perspective of Microsoft. It's hard enough making this operating system, and now people want it to make more versions just because they feel like it? Why should they change the whole thing just for you? This goes back to your main problem of thinking of only yourself, and not all the other consumers out there.
I'm not asking them to change the whole thing just for me. But if there are people who are more comfortable using, say, command-line Linux than dumbed-down Windows, why not let them?
QUOTE(Mynck @ Jul 23 2006, 12:12 AM)
I'm not asking them to change the whole thing just for me. But if there are people who are more comfortable using, say, command-line Linux than dumbed-down Windows, why not let them?
Because Windows has superior security, user-interface, compatibility, et cetera.
Confident. Clear. Connected.
Windows might have a more intuitive user interface, but command line interfaces tend to be more functional.
Security is nothing if you don't need the internet, and compatibility is not problem if you're never going to install any more programs.
I'm talking about specialized cases here. If you're a government agency with highly sensitive data to guard, are you going to add a GUI and another layer to possibly exploit, or keep it as simple and non-exploitable as possible?
The more complicated an OS gets, the easier it is to crack. Something like Tinfoil Hat Linux, for instance, is minimalized and very secure.
Security is nothing if you don't need the internet, and compatibility is not problem if you're never going to install any more programs.
I'm talking about specialized cases here. If you're a government agency with highly sensitive data to guard, are you going to add a GUI and another layer to possibly exploit, or keep it as simple and non-exploitable as possible?
The more complicated an OS gets, the easier it is to crack. Something like Tinfoil Hat Linux, for instance, is minimalized and very secure.
QUOTE(Mynck @ Jul 23 2006, 12:25 AM)
Windows might have a more intuitive user interface, but command line interfaces tend to be more functional.
Security is nothing if you don't need the internet, and compatibility is not problem if you're never going to install any more programs.
I'm talking about specialized cases here. If you're a government agency with highly sensitive data to guard, are you going to add a GUI and another layer to possibly exploit, or keep it as simple and non-exploitable as possible?
The more complicated an OS gets, the easier it is to crack. Something like Tinfoil Hat Linux, for instance, is minimalized and very secure.
Security is nothing if you don't need the internet, and compatibility is not problem if you're never going to install any more programs.
I'm talking about specialized cases here. If you're a government agency with highly sensitive data to guard, are you going to add a GUI and another layer to possibly exploit, or keep it as simple and non-exploitable as possible?
The more complicated an OS gets, the easier it is to crack. Something like Tinfoil Hat Linux, for instance, is minimalized and very secure.
I'd like to see you survive without the Internet.
That's why there's Windows Server System.
Not as secure as Windows Vista.
Some tasks don't need Internet use. I'm not talking about myself here.
Every computer in my parents' company building runs Linux, and some run Windows too. They switch between the OS's, depending on what functionality they need.
From Wikipedia:
Every computer in my parents' company building runs Linux, and some run Windows too. They switch between the OS's, depending on what functionality they need.
From Wikipedia:
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Security features
Tinfoil Hat uses a number of sophisticated measures to defeat hardware and software surveillance methods like keystroke logging, video camera, and TEMPEST:
* Encryption — GNU Privacy Guard (GPG) public key cryptography software is included in THL.
* Worms and viruses — THL doesn't support networking. All binaries are compiled statically, and all non-root partitions are mounted with no-execute permissions. A hash of the NVRAM is displayed at boot time.
* Data retrieval — All temporary files are created on an encrypted ramdisk that is destroyed on shutdown. Even the GPG keyfile information can be stored encrypted on the floppy.
* Keystroke monitoring — THL has gpggrid, a wrapper for GPG that lets you use a video game style character entry system instead of typing in your passphrase. Keystroke loggers get a set of grid points, not your passphrase.
* Power usage and other side channel attacks — Under the Paranoid options, a copy of GPG runs in the background generating keys and encrypting random documents. This makes it harder to determine when real encryption is taking place.
* Even reading the screen over the user's shoulder is very hard when Tinfoil Hat is switched to paranoid mode, which sets the screen to a very low contrast.
See? You can't even read the screen over the user's shoulder!
Tinfoil Hat uses a number of sophisticated measures to defeat hardware and software surveillance methods like keystroke logging, video camera, and TEMPEST:
* Encryption — GNU Privacy Guard (GPG) public key cryptography software is included in THL.
* Worms and viruses — THL doesn't support networking. All binaries are compiled statically, and all non-root partitions are mounted with no-execute permissions. A hash of the NVRAM is displayed at boot time.
* Data retrieval — All temporary files are created on an encrypted ramdisk that is destroyed on shutdown. Even the GPG keyfile information can be stored encrypted on the floppy.
* Keystroke monitoring — THL has gpggrid, a wrapper for GPG that lets you use a video game style character entry system instead of typing in your passphrase. Keystroke loggers get a set of grid points, not your passphrase.
* Power usage and other side channel attacks — Under the Paranoid options, a copy of GPG runs in the background generating keys and encrypting random documents. This makes it harder to determine when real encryption is taking place.
* Even reading the screen over the user's shoulder is very hard when Tinfoil Hat is switched to paranoid mode, which sets the screen to a very low contrast.
QUOTE(Mynck @ Jul 23 2006, 12:35 AM)
Some tasks don't need Internet use. I'm not talking about myself here.
The thing is, the majority of PC users use the Internet, and that's why it's important.
But we're not talking about the majority. You're arguing that Windows Vista is better in all cases.
A nonexistent network connection is always the best security there is.
A nonexistent network connection is always the best security there is.
QUOTE(Mynck @ Jul 23 2006, 12:47 AM)
But we're not talking about the majority. You're arguing that Windows Vista is better in all cases.
I'm arguing that it's a balance. Obviously, with something like Windows, there will inevitably be compromises to some degree, but Microsoft has gone with giving both worlds the best of options (play on words).
QUOTE(Spaceman3750 @ Jul 19 2006, 10:02 AM)
Shut up. Lappy has spoken.
I won't risk my computer on it. I'll stick with XP...
I won't risk my computer on it
. I'll stick with XP...Wow,another classic Spacey moment.
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