Timebandit
Jul 5 2006, 12:44 PM
sony had the PSP PS2 and had the first 3d, go anywhere, accualy good graphics system that is the PS1 and PS
MICROSOFT HAD HAD XBOX,XBOX 360, and good computer software
Nintendo has had the great "retro nentendo" the 64 gameboy,gameboy color, GB advanced,GBsp Wii and DS
myscrnnm
Jul 5 2006, 03:16 PM
Well, if you're speaking of success, obviously Sony Computer Entertainment has done overall the best. Their first system, the PlayStation entertainment system became the greatest selling console of all time when it was released up until SCEI broke its own record with the PlayStation 2, which at the moment, still outsells the seventh-generation console, the Xbox 360. Plus, the PlayStation Portable revolutionized handheld gaming and is so far, the most successful platform aimed at killing the Nintendo-monopoly. And despite having the DS outsell the PSP, it has succeeded in the primary goal of ending the monopoly.
-EDIT-
Plus, in terms of not commercial success, but good reception, the PlayStation 2 computer entertainment system is PC World's 11th greatest gadget of all time.
/\/\/\/
Jul 8 2006, 05:20 PM
and the wii is time magazine's 2nd item that will rock the world. no one cares. and the 360 hasn't been out that long, so it's not exactly fair to say ps2 is going to do better than it. you may not have said that, but that's the vibe you're giving off. i'm sure the 360 will get more popular over the years.
Alecto
Jul 8 2006, 05:24 PM
Dreamcast? You mean Sega. Sega did well back in the day, too bad they were reduced to a third-party producer.
Mynck
Jul 8 2006, 05:28 PM
I wish my Genesis weren't broken so that I could play that Raiden game again.

Uhm, the Sega Genesis. Not the Genesis who I'm replying to.

Oh, sorry. That should be "Not the Genesis to whom I'm replying."
myscrnnm
Jul 8 2006, 07:13 PM
QUOTE(/\/\/\/ @ Jul 8 2006, 06:20 PM)
the 360 hasn't been out that long, so it not exactly fair to say ps2 going do better than it. you may not have said that, but that's the vibe you're giving off. i'm sure the 360 will get more popular over the years.
Wikipedia says:
"As of Mid 2006, the PS2 still outsells its current main competition, Xbox 360."
And The Inquirer says:
"The PS2 is kicking the Xbox 360’s [bleeped!]. That’s right, the six-year old console is still outselling the brand spanking new, next-gen 360. Since the launch of the Xbox 360, sales have averaged 246,000 units per month. During the same period, PS2 sales have averaged more than 470,000 a month. That’s an astounding stat but the fact is that the PS2 is still the key development platform for games and will remain so for some time."
It's not my speculation, it's something I like to call fact.
chuck
Jul 8 2006, 07:25 PM
you also must take the price into account. i know that many people, myself included are waiting until the price dropps to get a 360.
myscrnnm
Jul 8 2006, 07:36 PM
QUOTE(chuck @ Jul 8 2006, 08:24 PM)
i are waiting until the price dropps to get a 360.
Good thinking. btw, I'm not mocking you, I pride myself on not
adding stuff to other people's posts, just cutting stuff out.
Alecto
Jul 9 2006, 04:54 AM
QUOTE(Mynck @ Jul 8 2006, 05:28 PM)
I wish my Genesis weren't broken so that I could play that Raiden game again.

Uhm, the Sega Genesis. Not the Genesis who I'm replying to.

Oh, sorry. That should be "Not the Genesis to whom I'm replying."

>_< My brother waw talking about Raiden with me a day ago. Fun game, we go down to the arcade to play it.
Timebandit
Jul 9 2006, 11:32 AM
i play medal slug at the arcade
serebii
Jul 9 2006, 05:21 PM
Sucsess, -Microsoft, 'cause of the computers
But If we take into account just purely the games, Nintendo and Sony(Both first). Then Microsoft, atari, then dreamcast(last).
Alecto
Jul 10 2006, 04:07 AM
Y'know, it could be the end of Nintendo if this last console doesn't work.
myscrnnm
Jul 10 2006, 06:08 AM
QUOTE(Genesis @ Jul 10 2006, 05:07 AM)
Y'know, it could be the end of Nintendo if this last console doesn't work.
I certainly hope so. But they're making so much money from the DS and DS Lite it's not even funny. Plus, the Game Boy Advance SP is still selling nicely.
Qlumpa
Jul 10 2006, 03:26 PM
QUOTE(myscrnnm @ Jul 8 2006, 07:13 PM)
The Inquirer also said
this. Which was debunked later by other sources. I wouldn't trust them.
Herloss
Jul 10 2006, 03:41 PM
QUOTE(Qlumpa @ Jul 10 2006, 07:25 PM)
The Inquirer also said
this. Which was debunked later by other sources. I wouldn't trust them.
Lol, just lol...
Timebandit
Jul 10 2006, 04:02 PM
Its still easy to say that microsoft, nintendo and sony are in the top 3
myscrnnm
Jul 10 2006, 04:35 PM
QUOTE(Timebandit @ Jul 10 2006, 05:01 PM)
Its still easy to say that microsoft, nintendo and sony are in the top 3
In order from best to worst on a scale:
Sony Computer Entertainment
Microsoft Corporation
Nintendo (it sucks)
/\/\/\/
Jul 11 2006, 06:58 PM
only myscrnnm would go that low...
nintendo is doing great. the ds has already topped the list TWICE over the psp. 1 and 2 belong to it and the ds. the gamecube might be dead, but the wii's got plenty of exitement to live on anticipation itself.
and myscrnnm, i meant that the 360 needs more time to sell. the ps2 has been out for years. you put a system out for 6 months out against one that's been out for 6 years, then of course the old one would win. i mean, hello! the nes outsold the ps2 when it was out for only a few months. eventually the ps3 will drive the final nail into the ps2's coffin, and THEN we'll see if it still sells...
Alecto
Jul 12 2006, 08:23 AM
QUOTE(/\/\/\/ @ Jul 11 2006, 06:58 PM)
and myscrnnm, i meant that the 360 needs more time to sell. the ps2 has been out for years. you put a system out for 6 months out against one that's been out for 6 years, then of course the old one would win. i mean, hello! the nes outsold the ps2 when it was out for only a few months. eventually the ps3 will drive the final nail into the ps2's coffin, and THEN we'll see if it still sells...
Montly sales, not total sales.
/\/\/\/
Jul 12 2006, 04:42 PM
ah. i missed that part. well it might have sold better if it were cheaper... or if they waited until halo 3 was released. that would have sold.
Timebandit
Jul 12 2006, 04:48 PM
nintendo had a revolution with the 64, until the playstation came out and took it by storm
/\/\/\/
Jul 12 2006, 05:01 PM
i never really paid much attention to the ps1. it seemed overloaded with stuff nobody cared about.
Alecto
Jul 12 2006, 07:01 PM
The PS1 came before the 64
/\/\/\/
Jul 12 2006, 07:05 PM
yeah, but no big deal. it's not like nintendo didn't make 3D games or anything. cause they did.
myscrnnm
Jul 12 2006, 09:22 PM
QUOTE(Timebandit @ Jul 12 2006, 05:48 PM)
nintendo had a revolution with the 64, until the playstation came out and took it by storm
Actually, the PlayStation is older than the N64. The PlayStation is a 32-bit gaming platform. But you're right, it dominated the market, becoming the bestselling game console of all time, until the release of the PlayStation 2, which is now the bestselling game console of all time.
QUOTE(/\/\/\/ @ Jul 12 2006, 06:00 PM)
i never really paid much attention to the ps1. it seemed overloaded with stuff nobody cared about.
No, you mean it was overloaded with stuff
you didn't care about. It's kind of obvious that people care about the PlayStation when it sells more than 100 million units (proof:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6098786.html). The PlayStation was a revolution in the gaming industry, for the first time, video games weren't just child's toys anymore, the PlayStation introduced optical information storage to the gaming world, allowing for high fidelity content to be used in games, and allowing developers to do so much more. It also marked the beginning of the PlayStation family, which handsdown has had the best games in the industry for all genres, from driving simulators such as Gran Turismo to third-person shooters such as SOCOM. The PlayStation also marked the first time that development was open to people who didn't just work for Sony and its respective subsidiaries. Net Yaroze, a special PlayStation, allowed people to make their own games for the PlayStation, a first in the industry. Like its successors, one of its main selling points was also its capability to do more than just play games. It could play audio CDs, like the PlayStation 2 can play DVD Video and how the PSP can do AV and more. Now, you Nintendo-fanboys don't know where the world is going, but consumers want integration, and that fact has manifested itself in many ways, from the Windows XP Media Centre Edition to even hardware, and SCEI is making progress by letting people have what they want, the ability to do so much more with less devices. You don't understand because you do not have the vision.
Mynck
Jul 12 2006, 10:44 PM
Hmm. I'd rather not have integration. Customization is so much easier with separate parts.
Herloss
Jul 12 2006, 10:53 PM
QUOTE(Mynck @ Jul 13 2006, 02:44 AM)
Hmm. I'd rather not have integration. Customization is so much easier with separate parts.
Exactly. I've never played a CD or DVD on my PS2. It doesnt make sense to when I have a DVD/VHS player and a 5-disk CD changer with much better audio-output than the PS2 hooked up to my reciever.
myscrnnm
Jul 12 2006, 10:55 PM
QUOTE(Mynck @ Jul 12 2006, 11:44 PM)
Hmm. I'd rather not have integration. Customization is so much easier with separate parts.
It's not about what one hermit wants, it's about what the good people want. Good people want their lives to be easier, not so hectic with trying to manage all their devices that they have. It's just too cumbersome to carry around a PDA, mobile phone, camera, iPod, et cetera, everywhere you go. That's why there are people working to make these things integrated into one device. It's the same with televisions, stereos, computers, VCRs, et cetera. People want one device that can do all that. It's been proven through the use of analyzing sales of different products that people will generally purchase something that can do more. Of course, there are always exceptions, such as a standalone camera working better than a cameraphone, and even I hate cameraphones cuz of the generally dreadful image quality, but overall, integration is the key.
Mynck
Jul 12 2006, 10:58 PM
And what's your definition of "good people?" People who fit into Sony's business model? I don't care what everyone else likes; if I don't like it, I won't get it.
Herloss
Jul 12 2006, 11:01 PM
QUOTE(myscrnnm @ Jul 13 2006, 02:54 AM)
It's not about what one hermit wants, it's about what the good people want. Good people want their lives to be easier, not so hectic with trying to manage all their devices that they have. It's just too cumbersome to carry around a PDA, mobile phone, camera, iPod, et cetera, everywhere you go. That's why there are people working to make these things integrated into one device. It's the same with televisions, stereos, computers, VCRs, et cetera. People want one device that can do all that. It's been proven through the use of analyzing sales of different products that people will generally purchase something that can do more. Of course, there are always exceptions, such as a standalone camera working better than a cameraphone, and even I hate cameraphones cuz of the generally dreadful image quality, but overall, integration is the key.
That may all be true, but as you integrate more and more things into one system you lose a lot of quality in each individual part of the device. On a PDA/mp3-player/camera/cell phone your camera is going to suck, your mp3 player's sound quality is going to suck, and the amount of storage space is going to be nil.
You seem to be a person obsessed with quality (albiet misguided in your opinion of quality), so why are you contradicting yourself now by saying that it is better to consolidate features rather than have something with one really good feature?
myscrnnm
Jul 12 2006, 11:07 PM
QUOTE(Herloss @ Jul 13 2006, 12:00 AM)
That may all be true, but as you integrate more and more things into one system you lose a lot of quality in each individual part of the device.
why are you contradicting yourself now by saying that it is better to consolidate features rather than have something with one really good feature?
Okay, I'll admit, in this you've made a pretty good argument. Well, I'll make some things clear here.
First of all, I praise Sony for integrating these devices because the main problem now isn't actually the integration anymore, but the quality of the features that are being integrated. Sony is working hard to let people get the fullest experience out of their products by trying to make all the features as close to a standalone product as possible. One example that I've been thinking of today is an upcoming Sony Ericsson phone that will have high-quality lenses and good resolution, while I still prefer my Canon, this phone is going one step closer to making these multifunction products one step closer to the goal.
Second of all, I'm not really contradicting myself, here. I haven't actually said that these multifunction
devices are better than some standalone devices (with the prominent exception of the PlayStation 3, which does gaming just as well as the Wii does, and even better, I might add). What I'm saying is that the everlasting
journey towards integrating these devices is good.
Timebandit
Jul 13 2006, 04:48 AM
QUOTE(/\/\/\/ @ Jul 12 2006, 05:00 PM)
i never really paid much attention to the ps1. it seemed overloaded with stuff nobody cared about.
well i got the ps1 in germany and it kicked ***. well, that was the first time i really ever played a video game. but i had spyro. that game was awsome. i still have it.
/\/\/\/
Jul 13 2006, 12:02 PM
ah, spyro. i almost forgot. yes the ps1 had a few good third party games, but otherwise it was just a bunch of anime crap.
edit: and myscrnnm, how can you say that the ps3 plays better than the wii, especially since you have played neither and the wii was more successful at e3? i'm sure whatever reason you have is, no doubt, stupid, but i don't see how an oppinion of such from you could be justifiable, or important in any sense.
myscrnnm
Jul 13 2006, 04:33 PM
QUOTE(Timebandit @ Jul 13 2006, 05:48 AM)
well i got the ps1 in germany and it kicked ***. well, that was the first time i really ever played a video game. but i had spyro. that game was awsome. i still have it.
Basically, the PlayStation had a lot of excellent software that took full advantage of the processing capabilities, which is why it was so good.
QUOTE(/\/\/\/ @ Jul 13 2006, 01:02 PM)
You just hate anime cuz it's better than what you can draw, and you're jealous of the Japanese, who are obviously superior to you due to their superior animation abilities.
/\/\/\/
Jul 13 2006, 05:26 PM
let me be more specific: using anime to make crap.
Timebandit
Jul 14 2006, 05:35 PM
the dreamcast looked exacly like the ps1, no im confused is the ps1 or the ps the one without the built in screen. cuase the one without looked like the sega dreamcast
Alecto
Jul 15 2006, 10:42 AM
The Dreamcast's graphics were better than the PSOne's.
chalbo
Jul 15 2006, 10:53 AM
sony done so much like the psp which i onw the ps2 and now they're coming out with the PS3
and theyve made so many mp3 playeres
myscrnnm
Jul 16 2006, 01:21 PM
QUOTE(Genesis @ Jul 15 2006, 11:41 AM)
The Dreamcast's graphics were better than the PSOne's.
No [bleeped!], Sherlock. The PSone used technology made
before the Dreamcasts.
Timebandit
Jul 16 2006, 02:07 PM

dreamcast driving game screenshots

ps1 test drive 6 screenshots
i like ps1 better
myscrnnm
Jul 16 2006, 02:21 PM
QUOTE(Timebandit @ Jul 16 2006, 03:07 PM)

dreamcast driving game screenshots

ps1 test drive 6 screenshots
i like ps1 better
Yeah, developers for the PlayStation family usually implement very advanced physics engines. In GT4 for instance, the shadows and stuff are superb.
/\/\/\/
Jul 27 2006, 04:44 PM
yeah, but most people agreed that in the case with that one dead or alive on the dreamcast and the ps2, the ps2 version had too much shading and lighting to the point where it wasn't as fun. hey it's just what i heard on the documentary of the series on tv.
myscrnnm
Jul 28 2006, 02:32 PM
QUOTE(/\/\/\/ @ Jul 27 2006, 05:43 PM)
yeah, but most people agreed that in the case with that one dead or alive on the dreamcast and the ps2, the ps2 version had too much shading and lighting to the point where it wasn't as fun. hey it's just what i heard on the documentary of the series on tv.
Wrong. You just can't appreciate good graphics cuz
Nintendo doesn't do it. If Nintendo made games with good graphics, you'd be praising graphics like it was the greatest thing since the wheel. But when the PlayStation has great graphics, you go, "AGH, my eyes!!! My virgin eyes!!1".
/\/\/\/
Jul 30 2006, 06:27 PM
um... metroid has named having the best graphics on any of the current-gen consoles. if nintendo games look like crap, then other games shouldn't have seen daylight. and it's just what i heard. yell at G4, not me. besides, don't shading and lighting come from better graphics? i'm just saying the documentary said that people didn't like it that way. i've never had the chance to compare the two. i'm merely repeating what i've heard from people other than me. get it?
guitar_freak22
Jul 30 2006, 08:01 PM
QUOTE(/\/\/\/ @ Jul 30 2006, 09:26 PM)
um... metroid has named having the best graphics on any of the current-gen consoles. if nintendo games look like crap, then other games shouldn't have seen daylight. and it's just what i heard. yell at G4, not me. besides, don't shading and lighting come from better graphics? i'm just saying the documentary said that people didn't like it that way. i've never had the chance to compare the two. i'm merely repeating what i've heard from people other than me. get it?
You trying to explain Nintendo to myscrnnm is like talking to a brick wall. He will not accept anything other than Sony.
S.W.A.T
Jul 31 2006, 02:48 AM
Nintendo ALL the way...
Dreamcast is part of Sega...
Timebandit
Jul 31 2006, 04:34 AM
the playstation had advanced a big amount in tech.
ex
heres a ford GT from ps1

and heres a shot in a BMW at "costa dia malfi"
S.W.A.T
Jul 31 2006, 03:00 PM
Woh,I never noticed that...
myscrnnm
Aug 1 2006, 02:32 AM
QUOTE(Timebandit @ Jul 31 2006, 05:33 AM)
the playstation had advanced a big amount in tech.
ex
heres a ford GT from ps1

and heres a shot in a BMW at "costa dia malfi"

Actually, the second picture is from Gran Turismo 4, which is for the PlayStation 2. But still, the processing power and attention to detail on the part of the developers is incredible. Gran Turismo 4 has the best graphics of any driving simulator on the market today (Forza is theoretically more advanced, but doesn't actually produce
better graphics).
Timebandit
Aug 2 2006, 07:53 AM
QUOTE(myscrnnm @ Aug 1 2006, 02:32 AM)
Actually, the second picture is from Gran Turismo 4, which is for the PlayStation 2. But still, the processing power and attention to detail on the part of the developers is incredible. Gran Turismo 4 has the best graphics of any driving simulator on the market today (Forza is theoretically more advanced, but doesn't actually produce
better graphics).
i know thats the track though. i have the game and love it.
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