KL Staff is convinced that myscrnnm and thisoldmage were equally responsible for this Krazyletter Scandal. (Read about it here). Basically, thisoldmage and myscrnnm hijacked Mynck's (an admin's) account and used it to knowingly delete a prominent member of Krazyletter. Now, we are giving you the members a chance to decide myscrnnm/thisoldmage's fates. Please post a reason as to why you choose what punishment you chose.

Before I cast a vote, to the knowlege of the KL staff, was thisoldmage involved in any of the prior hijackings?

i say temp ban for both as a permaban would only drive them to create new accounts.

KC, you only can represent yourself. I do not believe Thisoldmage had the intentions of deleting HerLoss's account, but his actions did provoke Myscrnnm to delete HerLoss's account.

No he was not.



What do you mean?

he means that you cannot say what other peoply did intentionally or not, or what their intentions were, as I am doing to lappy.

That's what our good staff is for, to spot duplicates .

i think you should temp ban both of them because it was wrong but perm banning them would not help the matter. myscrnm would just hate you all more.

You idiot! I didn't do anything! Thisoldmage was the one who deleted the account!!!!!!

Flamebait, warned

I find that hard to believe considering there is no tension between thisoldmage and I.

No, you find it hard to believe because you're a complete idiot.

Flamebait, warned

I hope you realize that you just proved my point. I have no ill feelings towards thisoldmage, and thisoldmage has failed to show that he has ill feelings towards me. This is a sound basis for the postulation that thisoldmage was not the source of the act that caused my account to become non-existant.

thisoldmage was the one with the Firefox knowledge who managed to get my password. Then he messed around with my account. He had myscrnnm's full support, which isn't surprising considering that myscrnnm had previously shown that he has no problems with illegitimately using someone else's power. While thisoldmage was messing with the admin control panel, myscrnnm asked him to go to HerLoss's account and permanently ban it or something. He did, but, he was under some time pressure with me trying to wrestle control of the PC away from him and all, and instead of a permanent suspension, he clicked on "delete" instead.


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myscrnnm says that he didn't ask for a permanent ban, but I clearly remember that he told thisoldmage to go to HerLoss's account, so he was planning something.


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myscrnnm also claims that this is all HerLoss's fault and that he planned this from the beginning. I shrug at that.

I say we do not take action against them because we have no concrete evidence, only someone's testimony. Who knows if Mynck is telling the truth? Who knows if myscrnnm is telling the truth? Who knows if thisoldmage is telling the truth? The fact, is we don't know, so I say action against each is not necessary.

These two statements are contradictory. If thisoldmage and myscrnnm were in your account, and did what they allegedly did, how the heck did I plan it and get those two goons to do it for me, when they arent stupid enough to realize that this may make them look bad.

You people are talking without thinking (apart from perhaps myscrnnm at some points). I did not frame anybody, hijack any accounts, do any major lying in this case, etc etc etc. MYNCK WAS THERE, HE CAN VOUCH FOR ME. What else does it take to calm down the anti-KL mob that's forming in this topic?!

And I admit, myscrnnm did not technically delete anybody himself. But according to Mynck, he egged thisoldmage on. (And I'm not lying here, myscrnnm, because these are Mynck's views. I refuse to comment on my views.)

Now, how do you know the entire staff is convinced? Or is this just a personal thing you have with myscrrnm and thisoldmage? The only thing we have to go on is your word which I do not consider very trustworthy right now.

I have another theory. Mynck will forever hate me for this but I must reveal the evidence. It was back when I hated myscrnnm, and had sent a warn reply to the staff. Mynck PMed me back and said he didn't really like myscrnnm much either, but that we all had to get along and that he hasn't been as bad as he used to. I think you, as in KC, and Mynck concocted a poorly planned plot to get rid of myscrnnm and are spreading lies throughout KL to recover from poor planning. Thisoldmage was just a "casualty of war" for lack of a better term. Does anyone agree with me?

I agree. KC, you forgot to put: Ban/ Demote korps commander in our choices in voting.

I told you all it was a conspiracy!

YES FINNALY SOMEONE SHARES THE SAME GENERAL THEROY WITH ME THANK YOU!

It's a personally thing...
It has to do with Camp Vista and such.
DO NOT listen to KC and MYNCK!

IT was KC who killed HL.
And he's laying the blame on us.

HE killed HL, because its sort of obvious w/ the rising tension between HL and Mysrnnm.

BAN KC!

ban his a** off

This is not the topic at hand. If you guys cannot stay on-topic, I will close the topic and staff will do what we please.

Neither KC nor I dislike myscrnnm. (We just find him annoying)

If KC really disliked myscrnnm, would he have invited myscrnnm to his house? To stay the night at that? This wasn't the first time, by the way.

You're just trying to divert the topic at hand to save the Korps Commander's skin. The thing is, there are actually sane people who understand that this incident wasn't my fault, but actually the Korps Commander's. So stop this nonsense and let the people speak. And if not about the Korps Commander here, then I think it can be agreed upon that we need not speak of punishing either thisoldmage nor myself.

He invited him so he wouldn't look bad. You know, the whole "social status" thing.



I agree. This is a Krazyletter cover up, and we know it. I push for a vote in the KDemocracy to seal KC's fate. I will have supporters.

I'm a supporter. Count me in!

that you will guitar freak that you will... im sure we can rally up some supporters, it might take some time though


added the m on im careless errors
added i spelled careless wrong...

Social status? Umm... no I don't know.

Thisoldmage...I cannot believe that as a friend, you would lie to all of Krazyletter. You were there. Myscrnnm was there. Mynck was there. And yet you pin the blame on me, when you were the one that pushed the delete button and then Mynck threw something at your head, remember? I must say, the fact that you've lied through your teeth it is disturbing and disappointing.

Myscrnnm, why would you say that it was my fault? You KNOW that thisoldmage pushed the delete button, correct? Or have you forgotten?

Please, will someone find common sense and see that I am innocent?

Well, you were on their side at first, as I remember.

At first, Mynck, at first! And then remember I realized what they were doing and then thisoldmage giggled and deleted HerLoss' account and we tried to throw them out of the room and I threw thisoldmage off the chair and you came charging in and attacked either him or myscrnnm? Remember?

Okay, yeah. I remember.

I think that they both need to be banned. They highjacked a staff member for the love of god. I mean if they were able to do that how are we supposed to trust this website.

Like I said, I didn't do anything. I sat there and tried to convert the Korps Commander! I've been saying this all along, the Korps Commander is diverting all the attention to save his own skin!

Hmmm... This is all confusing but why would KP have a reason to try to get you banned. Or this old mage for any reason

He's trying to save his own skin!!!!!!1 Cuz he knows full well that he started all this and now he's pinning it on us so he can get away!

I propose that nothing should happen to anyone. This is really getting annoying. Who cares who did it, and now that everything has been returned to normal, it is all ok. We should put it behind us. KC grrr....should not be demoted, myscrnnm should not be banned, and thisoldmage should not be banned. It would work out great for everyone. I will get the "demote kc" pic out of my sig. Let's just forgive and forget here. It is all over. Anyone agree with me?

Screw you. This is not the first time myscrnnm has meddled with an admin's account, and if he has the right to demand that I be warned constantly for miniscule infraction, I have every right to demand that something be done in retaliation to his heinous acts.

Swearing/Flaming, warned

I never asked for your smart mouth, or your insults. And where is your proof that myscrnnm and thisoldmage did do it? All I have seen are a few floppy testimonies.

Last time he frickin admitted to it! You have absolutly no proof that he DIDNT do it, and so far he has all but admitted to it again this time.

I wasn't talking about last time, and there is no proof he has done it this time. Once again, where do you base your facts?

I base my facts upon the simple fact that KC has given his story of the events leading to my banning, and myscrnnm has failed to release his account. I base my facts upon the fact that KC and I have no major argument, and to my knowledge, he and I have mutual respect for each other. myscrnnm, on the other hand, has an uncontrollable hatred towards me, and has hijacked an admin's account previously to enact his vision of justice.

There is no reason to believe myscrnnm isn't at fault, and untill someone refutes the facts I have set before you, and replaces them with better evidence, my opinion will not change.

Maybe we should hear myscrnnm's story now. I have an idea. If we can get the admins to make a new public thread that has everyone involoved give their story, maybe we could get to the bottom of this. As for now, I stand by my gut feelings.

I agree. Basically, the only story we've heard here is from the Korps Commander, and the thing is, he's not a credible person. People just don't believe me because they hate me, and I believe that is one of the worse types of stupidity in the world.

Yup, KC lost his credibility ages ago.

Actually, Myscrnnm, people don't like you because you're incredibly stubborn.

No action sounds good to me, due to the fact that banning won't help anything.

Yah, I agree on that point.

That doesnt answer the question. He asked for your account of the events. An alibi. A reason for us to believe that you didnt do it. I'm curious as to what your story is as well.

I told everyone what it was a long time ago, but NOBODY LISTENED.

I wasn't here, so I wouldn't have a clue.