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GameClaw_268
I need to get to bed, but CAD and 8-Bit Theatre have brought to my attention a very serious topic, which could potentially knock KL off the internet. Here's some links:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1953085,00.asp - Act stuff
http://www.savetheinternet.com/ - Site working to help this act

Discuss

Now I'm off to bed... yawn.gif

edit: The act is a good thing, until I read some real stuff about it, I thought the act was doing the opposite of what it really is. Still discuss. Sorry for confusion.
zombieman3421
can you quickly summarize it, cause i don't get it that much, but i think it is the way krazyletter gets its funding and some people are trying to stop it, is that right?
GameClaw_268
Basically, it's saying that it will let big coporations choose what sites can be on the internet and what sites cant. Obviously, they're going with the ones that pay them the most, and therefore, the internet would be less kid-friendly, and more full of "porn"
Spaceman3750
???

This bill isn't giving them that power, it's taking it away from them. The Net Neutrality Act prohibits ISPs from blocking certain sites from being relayed via their servers, among other things. What I can't figure out is why you think that it would knock KL off the 'net, it would help preserve it....

PS - From what I can see, that site SUPPORTS the bill...
djbob
*sigh* the US needs to stop trying to regulate the internet. It's an anarchy - no one can control it, just regulate parts of it.

PS: GC_268, the NNA is the GOOD thing.
GameClaw_268
According to nuklearpower.com (home of 8-bit Theatre):
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Net Neutrality is a fairly hot topic. Even hotter than the one in the mall. Basically, imagine every nightmare scenario where corporate interests rule all content and access to the internet. If you think it'll never happen, you might be surprised to find out most of your representatives are so totally for it.

I suppose their thinking is that since ideas can be dangerous, there should be limits on which ideas are expressed. Which is only the foundation of fascism. Thanks, government!


According to Ctrl-Alt-Del:
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  I'd been hearing about this Net Neutrality thing for the past week, but at first I dismissed it as another one of those unfounded scare rumors that sweeps through those ridiculous email forwards and gets everyone all worked up. I mean, who the [bleeped!] is going to try and regulate the internet?

Well, apparently some of these conservative, pompous politicians are giving it a shot, by attempting to give a few major corporations (who no doubt have provided generous campaign contributions to the Representatives involved) exclusive rights to deliver services via the internet.

Basically this means that the large companies like Verizon and Comcocksuckingcast would have, at their discretion, the right to choose what web content loads quickest for you. And guess how that decision is made? That's what, whatever web content makes them the most money. And if a website doesn't pay their exorbitant fees? It could load up slower than dial-up. Or not at all.

Dreamt of starting an online business? Opening a t-shirt shop online, or putting our your artwork for others to see? Under this legislation you can kiss that [bleeped!] goodbye, unless you're willing to fork over cash to the big communications companies so they'll allow your stuff to be seen.

As a self-employed cartoonist, a small business owner who makes his living thanks to the internet, you can imagine this concept hits close to home. The internet is the greatest tool we've ever had for getting around these ultra-rich, conservative fatasses who control everything.

Before the internet, if you wanted your work to get out there, you would have to submit it over, and over, and over again, to countless editors who were going to decide whether your idea was good enough to reach the masses. Who the [bleeped!] were they to decide? Screw 'em.

The internet cuts these large corporations out and they know it. And it drives them nuts. You know what? Good. They don't know what they're doing anyway. Remember when MTV used to be Music Television? Now they showcase music for forty minutes out of the whole day, and they don't even play the whole [bleeped!] videos anymore. It's some [bleeped!] droning on about whatever superficial horseshit they're trying to brainwash young America into buying. But thank god they don't play the whole videos, because the only music they play are whatever manufactured crap the big record labels are paying them to play. Do you see where I'm going with this?

Badger Badger Badger may have annoyed the [bleeped!] out of you. But that came directly from the creators, to the masses. There was no middle-man in a cheap suit saying "umm, well, I think maybe the badgers should be wearing FUBAR, and the snake, could we replace the snake with an asian minority? We're trying to appeal to our sponsors. And I'm worried that the mushroom infers illegal activities, so let's use these new Nike Air Jordans instead. And..." [bleeped!] that. There's a lot of [bleeped!] on the internet, but I'd take sifting through the crap to find the good stuff, over having the crap be the only thing offered to me, any day of the week.

This legislation could be a serious issue. You decide.


I really can't summurize it better than that. I haven't read the act yet, though.
Mynck
Did you notice the link that nuklearpower.com gave?

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1953085,00.asp
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Today's conference call is one of the coalition's many campaign tactics to emphasize the importance of "Net neutrality," the concept of a free and open Internet.



Also, Wikipedia.
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Network neutrality is a principle of network design. It asserts that, in order to promote innovation, network service providers such as telephone and cable internet companies should not be permitted to dictate how those networks are used (i.e., not permitted to ban certain types of programs, to ban certain types of devices connecting to the network, or to favor carriage of traffic to certain web sites over others).
GameClaw_268
Yeah, I figured out I didn't know which side was which. Sorry.

Anyway, lets get this law passed!
Spaceman3750
I'm gonna try to pull some strings and get a couple major sites on board...

EDIT: This thing is going down very quickly... And now I'm ticked because my wonderful Illinois congressmen voted no...
djbob
QUOTE(GameClaw_268 @ Apr 27 2006, 04:30 AM)
Yeah, I figured out I didn't know which side was which. Sorry.

Anyway, lets get this law passed!
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Still backwards >_<
The law is already in place, some people are trying to get it eliminated.
lappy512
Shot down.

http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=63118
UrbanSanatorium
No the law isnt passed. It has barely made it into the house. The law itself is bad. It seems to give ISPs the power to filter what goes over their lines...or at least the rate at which it does so...

BTW. anything that brings to gether Moveon.org AND the Gun Owners of America against it...its probably bad.
GameClaw_268
no, the law makes it so they can't. "Neutrality" means that noone can own it. There was another act somewhere along the line that I'm nto sure of the name that gave the internet to ISPs to attempt to moderate, though.
Spaceman3750
OK guys, here's the deal:

This bill is a proposed amendment to the Telecommunications Act. The "Net Neutrality Act" is an amendment to the bill, known as the "Markey Amendment" after it's proposer.

The Markey Amendment was pretty well shot down on the 26th, and the bill WITHOUT the Markey Amendment (meaning no net neutrality protection) passed (or something like that).
djbob
Point is, things are not good sad.gif
lolol
hope they win biggrin.gif
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