So um...

EDIT-- It looks like 100% of people think its a "two" so its now decided

I split the previous topic.

http://forums.krazyletter.com/http://forums.krazyletter.com/index.php?showtopic=4491

And one guy who thinks its absymal.

I am mindless and have no opinion. Actually, I have a neutral opinion. It gets annoying sometimes when people argue for Creationism or wage war in order to spread the religion, but the religion itself isn't bad. It provides some morals, at least, and makes death easier with the idea of a heaven.

It really depends on the person who's a Christian. Like those who try to take everything in the Bible literally, and don't understand the idea of an allegory (Genesis). Then again, they can believe whatever they want. I don't agree with them, but that doesn't mean I should say they're stupid. (Some people don't seem to understand that *hint*).

I dont hate the people who follow the religion, as I have many friends who follow it, but I really really dont like the religion itself because it tells me I'm going to go to hell and I'm wrong, but my religion dosent say that about them. They also wont accept the theory of evolution and homonids etc, but I follow my religion, worship my gods, but still accept everything my biology teacher tells me. There are some in my class who wont even listen.

I agree with you.

Me and KC just put really low scores to annoy Spaceman

It's fine, as it puts a purpose to life. Otherwise, there (*gasp*) is no purpose.

I just don't feel as if it's right for me. I respect others who believe in christianity, though I do like a bit of discussion about it.

Yeah, Lappy. The one "religon" I can't understand is atheism.

Well, technically, Buddhism is atheist. It says that there's no diety.

What I have might be called amysticism instead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysticism

Actually, buddhism is more an ideology than a religion. True Buddhism doesnt have any diety to call it's own, but it is often coupled with Christianity or Islamic.

Just a minor correction that has no relevance. Carry on.

Well, yeah, but true Buddhism is its own religion. Especially with its ideas on life and nirvana.

It says that all life is pain, that dead people are reborn, and that nirvana is when your soul ceases to exist. Nirvana is supposedly desireable because it puts an end to the pain of life.

See, that's why I don't really want to believe in Buddhism.

I sorta practice it in my own way. The ending of self-suffering via enlightenment and all. I believe in the soul and that you are reincarnated as another or the same life form... simple stuff. No real leaps of faith, and if it turns out that when one dies, that's it, I havnt wasted any time trying to please some God, just trying to better my life and end any suffering I may endure.

Because, according to our Bible, God made the world. And besides that, evolution just doesn't add up, no matter which way you spin it (remember, "theory").

Yes it does. You [well, maybe not you, but most rational people] see it happening around them every day. For instance, DDT resistant pests. There's a prime example of evolution for you.

For one thing, Genesis seems like an allegory to me. A coming-of-age story.

For another thing, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory

Explain to me how Genesis is saying that man came from a monkey and tweetey bird came from a pterodactyl.

Why the heck would God make monkeys so much like man, down to 98% same DNA? For kicks?

Also, explain to me why the heck its logical for a woman to come out of a human rib, if you're saying that man-from-monkey is illogical.

Because we believe it to be an act of God. Just like you believe that a man came from a monkey. Which is what makes evolution a faith and not a science, because it cannot be proven.

It can come very close to be proven, much more than Christianity can boast.

Very close doesn't cut it in science . It's all or none.

Well, there is also the theory of intelligent design...

Wikipedia:


Notice that gravitation is also a theory.

That is, Intelligent Design cannot be called a scientific theory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_Design




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

The article on evolution has a pretty thorough explanation of the whole thing.


Everytime something gives birth, its offspring are a tiny bit different from the parents. It makes sense that, if this were to happen millions of times, the changes would accumulate and eventually the offspring would become totally different. If the species were split into two separate groups with no contact with each other for a million years, say, by an ocean, the two different groups would've changed quite differently over those million years.

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Also, please turn your bible to Joshua 10:12.

In there, according to the New International Edition, "Joshua said to the LORD in the presence of Israel: 'O sun, stand still over Gibeon,"'

It clearly states that Joshua commands the sun to stay still. If the Earth revolves around the sun, wouldn't he command the Earth to stand still? Another reason why the bible should be taken as an allegory.

True, true. It does have some decent underlying principles but overall, doesn't have enough scientific evidence.


Hey, I remember this from Inherit the Wind, but anyways...

Technically he doesn't have to be commanding the sun. He could just...actually I'm having trouble putting this to words wayyy too early in the morning. (Insert confusing yet semi-informative arguement here). But additionally, if earth stopped moving, that would essentially kill us all yes?

About that... how solid are quantum mechanics? I ask because they pretty much explain gravitation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Theo..._of_gravitation

Gravity kinda has many theories right now. No single theory has been accepted above all the others.


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Actually, I have no idea what I'm talking about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitation

So, I'm agreeing with Korps Commander here. Evolution has much more evidence than science. How about we cut your rib out and see if your wife will pop up?

Wouldnt that be incest? Or would it be considered masturbation, seeing how she would be a part of you?

Wait, what? Could you rephrase that?

Personally, I'm a Christian. I don't like to argue too much about it, but as a clarification: most Christians believe in the Theory of Evolution, just not in pertinance to human beings.

The thing with that is that it makes perfect sense, especially if you take Genisis metaphorically, or if you think of what time is like for "God" and how "created" might mean "molded over eons" when translated to human tenses.

?? I very rarely come across Christians who believe in Evolution. In the end, it really doesn't matter anyway, but I guess it's fun to argue about .

The Admiral, who is also Christian, believes something similar to djbob.

Same. Many Christians I know outright disagree with the theory of evolution.

Dangit, if there is so many Christians around here, why is it that only BBF has stood up for me (and she hates me!)?

It's because you touch yourself at night, and jesus hates you, and all that good stuff...

Hmm, somehow, I could expect that from you, but not directed at me (I could see that more directed at myscrnnm , but not me)...

No, actually, all of that (besides the Jesus part) could very well be applied to you, Spacey.

Stop making fun of my screename. Remember, stuff like that can be considered flamebait .

OK, KC, shut up with the screenname crap. I am so sick and tired of you making immature insults based on my screename.

Actually, it couldnt, because I was kidding.

I knew you had a heart .

It cannot be considered flamebait unless I insulted you, and how do you know I didn't accidentally have it on all-caps?

It was just the "man" portion, obviously trying to bring attention in a sarcastic manner.

You are making a pot shot on my maturity, which is obviously higher than yours is because I don't do crap like that .

Ahem...

"Go suck on your mom and leave me alone..."

sound familiar? And you say that you don't do "crap" like that.

I was tired and wanted to reach through the internet and strangle you. I still do, but not so badly as last night .

I personally agree with DJbob but I feel that we were created as humans and that evolution affects everything, including us.

I also feel that you are all being immature arguing against christianity as there is concrete evidence known as the bible

God forbid I ever meet you in real life.

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Oh, yeah, real concrete evidence. Evidence so concrete that the Bible has been changed an infinite number of times, and sometimes stuff has been left out. Furthermore, the Bible is a book that lists belief, NOT scientific evidence.

Wow, I would have expected something like that only from Spaceman...

If something like the bible can be considered "concrete evidence" by anyone, then I'm going to start writing my own book of bull****, to be published 300 years after my death.

There is absolutly no evidence that the books contained within the Bible arent a complete and total fabrication. There is absolutly no evidence outside of the bible that any supernatural crap depicted within the Bible ever occurred, therefore nothing depicted within the Bible can be backed up, therefore nothing within the Bible can be considered factual.

Prove to me that Jesus and/or Laserus(sp?) were ever ressurected, that the supposed "prophets" that spoke to "God" weren't just schitzophrenic(sp?), and that an entire human being can be created from a part of another human being, and lets make the two of different genders, therefore of a different genetic makeup, just for kicks.

Plenty of occurrences depicted in the Bible can be explained by modern science, although these explanations completly discredit the "miracles" depicted.