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myscrnnm
Now, we all know that the original Nintendo DS was no more than a child's toy with abysmal design. But judging from what I've seen of the mockup/leaked images of the DS Lite, I must say, Nintendo may have made an improvement. Surprisingly, I think the DS Lite will be completely superior to its predecessor. First of all, the surface area to screen size ratio seems to have improved. And obviously, the size has also improved. Although still a very bad design flaw in the DS Lite is that the top screen occupies too little of the available surface area.
GameClaw_268
QUOTE(myscrnnm @ Jan 30 2006, 08:07 PM)
Now, we all know that the original Nintendo DS was no more than a child's toy with abysmal design. But judging from what I've seen of the mockup/leaked images of the DS Lite, I must say, Nintendo may have made an improvement. Surprisingly, I think the DS Lite will be completely superior to its predecessor. First of all, the surface area to screen size ratio seems to have improved. And obviously, the size has also improved. Although still a very bad design flaw in the DS Lite is that the top screen occupies too little of the available surface area.
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Does that mean I can call the PSP and over-priced MP3 player made for homocidal maniacs? tongue.gif

The screens are the same size. And those aren't "mock-ups," They are the finished product. Realeased by Nintendo, not leaked. Japan Nintendo, NOA has yet to comment on it. Of course, the screen to surface area ratio has the same effects of the GBA Micro, smaller device, but less comfortable to hold. If you haven't noticed, all of Nintendo's innitial handhelds have had comfort in mind over size, but always, save the Color, have a small version. This isn't just thumb confort, but how your hand fits on the device. The DS and GBA, when held correctly, fit like a glove. The smaller pocket, micro, lite, etc. versions take those parts out, resulting in a smaller, lighter device, but it's still the same thing.

As for the "Serious Design flaw," find a gameboy, any old gameboy, Be it the original, a color, etc. And hold your PSP above it. Looks weird already, eh? Now try playing both that way, or something to that design. It's really a strain on the eyes to constantly change size/aspect ratio. Especially on devices meant to be so close to the person. This is in no way a design flaw. Besides, where are you gonna put the speakers then? On the back where you can't hear them? On the already Semi-croweded bottom? remember, you need two speakers, as opposed to the GBA's one.
myscrnnm
QUOTE(GameClaw_268 @ Jan 30 2006, 06:42 PM)
Does that mean I can call the PSP and over-priced MP3 player made for homocidal maniacs? tongue.gif

The screens are the same size. And those aren't "mock-ups," They are the finished product. Realeased by Nintendo, not leaked. Japan Nintendo, NOA has yet to comment on it. Of course, the screen to surface area ratio has the same effects of the GBA Micro, smaller device, but less comfortable to hold. If you haven't noticed, all of Nintendo's innitial handhelds have had comfort in mind over size, but always, save the Color, have a small version. This isn't just thumb confort, but how your hand fits on the device. The DS and GBA, when held correctly, fit like a glove. The smaller pocket, micro, lite, etc. versions take those parts out, resulting in a smaller, lighter device, but it's still the same thing.

As for the "Serious Design flaw," find a gameboy, any old gameboy, Be it the original, a color, etc. And hold your PSP above it. Looks weird already, eh? Now try playing both that way, or something to that design. It's really a strain on the eyes to constantly change size/aspect ratio. Especially on devices meant to be so close to the person. This is in no way a design flaw. Besides, where are you gonna put the speakers then? On the back where you can't hear them? On the already Semi-croweded bottom? remember, you need two speakers, as opposed to the GBA's one.
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Your facts are just wrong. Also, again, this is why you fail to appreciate Sony's ingenuity. Regarding the speakers, there is another way to improve the screen rather than move the speakers. So basically, I have a roughly improved version of the DS made.

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GameClaw_268
QUOTE(myscrnnm @ Jan 30 2006, 08:46 PM)
Your facts are just wrong.
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Oh, really? Do you know this for a fact? Or is it against your religeous beliefs?
myscrnnm
QUOTE(GameClaw_268 @ Jan 30 2006, 06:51 PM)
Oh, really? Do you know this for a fact? Or is it against your religeous beliefs?
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You are just being a complete idiot, as usual.
GameClaw_268
As far as your "Improvements" go, the speaker would be lower quality and less powerful, the chips would be squished against the screen and more prone to overheating, and the changing aspect ratios just make it look weird, and would cause eyesight problems. It would also make it incompatible with current DS games.
myscrnnm
QUOTE(GameClaw_268 @ Jan 30 2006, 07:11 PM)
As far as your "Improvements" go, the speaker would be lower quality and less powerful, the chips would be squished against the screen and more prone to overheating, and the changing aspect ratios just make it look weird, and would cause eyesight problems. It would also make it incompatible with current DS games.
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Wrong. Conventional speakers to not use chips. Most speakers rely on drivers to produce sound. And the higher the temperature, the faster the rim softens, which makes the speakers produce higher-quality sound.

Also, the aspect ratio would not cause eyesight problems. Again, you are just making unresearched claims like a typical Christian. It has been proven that the human eye's aspect ratio is closer to 16:9 that it is to 4:3. You can ask any optician and he/she will tell you that I'm right.

Also, it would not make it incompatible. It would just work like a television. A 4:3 television is able to display 16:9 video because it just creates bars on the top and left. A 16:9 television displays 4:3 video by adding bars to the sides or by stretching the existing video to create an anmorphic widescreen output. Also, you don't even know enough about the products you are supporting. For instance, the Gameboy Advance was able to playback original Gameboy games even though it had a wider display. It did the same thing a simple widescreen television would do. It simply didn't display anything on the sides of the screen.
GameClaw_268
I meant current DSes wouldn't be compatible, and since they are the same thing, it's useless.

I never said the Speakers had chips, but the speakers are formatted in boombox style already, and boomboxes tend to have higher-quality and louder sound than smaller, more verticle speakers.

Believe it or not, the DS has an extra CPU up there, and many other motherboard chips. These are likely off to the side for better ventilation and that they don't interfere with screen connections, or take heat from them. These chips would be somwhat squised by a larger screen.

and I'm not saying that we don't see in 16:9, I'm saying that we don't constantly switch between 16:9 and 4:3, which would be the case if the top screen was bigger. It would be quite the strain on your eyes.
myscrnnm
QUOTE(GameClaw_268 @ Jan 30 2006, 07:50 PM)
I never said the Speakers had chips
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Right, like any rational person's going to believe that.

QUOTE(GameClaw_268 @ Jan 30 2006, 07:11 PM)
the speaker would be lower quality and less powerful, the chips would be squished against the screen and more prone to overheating
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GameClaw_268
QUOTE(myscrnnm @ Jan 30 2006, 10:14 PM)
Right, like any rational person's going to believe that.
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I was not refering to the chips of the speakers, if there are any. I was refering to the fricken CPU on the top part.
myscrnnm
QUOTE(GameClaw_268 @ Jan 30 2006, 08:50 PM)
I was not refering to the chips of the speakers, if there are any. I was refering to the fricken CPU on the top part.
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Well, due to your bad grammar, it was a mistake on your part.
zombieman3421
or maybe it is just something you need to look at better
myscrnnm
QUOTE(GameClaw_268 @ Jan 30 2006, 08:50 PM)
I was refering to the fricken CPU on the top part.
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Well, if the PSP can house an even larger screen and a more powerful processor, then it would also be physically possible for the DS to do so. So once again, you have just shot yourself in the foot. I'd be surprised if you had any toes still left by now. tongue.gif
QUOTE(zombieman3421 @ Jan 30 2006, 09:10 PM)
or maybe it is just something you need to look at better
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No. You can ask any experienced English/grammar teacher to analyze that sentence and he/she would tell you that due to the syntax of the words, he was saying that the speakers were also or contained chips.
zombieman3421
i could tell that he ment that the speakers would squish the other chips
myscrnnm
QUOTE(zombieman3421 @ Jan 30 2006, 09:15 PM)
i could tell that he ment that the speakers would squish the other chips
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That's cuz your grammar is equally bad. Now, since it is understood now, let's get back to the more pressing matter. The thing is, no matter how you interpret that sentence, he is still wrong. I have just explained it. If the PSP can fit in a 4.3" screen and a 333 MHz CPU plus two sets of stereo speakers, then it would also be physically possible for the DS to do so, since it also has more internal volume. But the gameclaw is saying that it is impossible when it has obviously been done by the engineers over at SCEI. And if even this kind of proof can't convince him, well, what can I say?
zombieman3421
1. my grammer is one of the best in my grade

2. i will leave that to gameclaw
myscrnnm
QUOTE(zombieman3421 @ Jan 30 2006, 09:22 PM)
my grammer is one of the best in my grade
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I highly doubt it.
zombieman3421
I highly doubt you have an interesting life
myscrnnm
QUOTE(zombieman3421 @ Jan 30 2006, 09:30 PM)
I highly doubt you have an interesting life
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My life is very interesting. Every day of it is filled with humour.
thisoldmage
QUOTE(myscrnnm @ Jan 30 2006, 10:57 PM)
My life is very interesting. Every day of it is filled with humour.
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Humour. Yeah, at least one person fond of the Nintendo DS shows up here every day
GameClaw_268
QUOTE(myscrnnm @ Jan 30 2006, 11:19 PM)
That's cuz your grammar is equally bad. Now, since it is understood now, let's get back to the more pressing matter. The thing is, no matter how you interpret that sentence, he is still wrong. I have just explained it. If the PSP can fit in a 4.3" screen and a 333 MHz CPU plus two sets of stereo speakers, then it would also be physically possible for the DS to do so, since it also has more internal volume. But the gameclaw is saying that it is impossible when it has obviously been done by the engineers over at SCEI. And if even this kind of proof can't convince him, well, what can I say?
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Of course the DS could, but it would make the DS expensive. Considering Nintendo always sells for a profit, it would be PSP priced, heavier, and bulkier. Also remember the only way to get your processor on your PSP to go past 222Mhz is to hack it, which voids your warranty, and is impossible in that way after a certain firmware revision. Either way, it goes back to 222Mhz durning gameplay. The processor is also so tied up in tasks involving reading and decoding disks it really isn't as good for gaming as a regular 222Mhz processor. It puts the overall performance at about the same as the DS's, and in a much more expensive package.
myscrnnm
QUOTE(GameClaw_268 @ Jan 31 2006, 05:36 AM)
it would be bulkier.
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Then that means that Nintendo really is bad. Cuz if the engineers over at SCEI could fit a more powerful processor into an even smaller package, then it must be possible.
zombieman3421
well, they were made at different times with different kinds of chips and technology, so it can't be nintendos fault and they can't suck
myscrnnm
QUOTE(zombieman3421 @ Jan 31 2006, 06:49 PM)
well, they were made at different times with different kinds of chips and technology, so it can't be nintendos fault and they can't suck
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No. At the time that the DS was made, PSP-calibre technology was already available. Nintendo just chose to use low-end components. So it is Nintendo's fault and Nintendo does suck.
zombieman3421
but thhe DS was made earlier, and with different chips and stuff like that
myscrnnm
QUOTE(zombieman3421 @ Jan 31 2006, 08:44 PM)
but thhe DS was made earlier, and with different chips and stuff like that
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ARGH! SHUT UP!!!!!1 I KNOW IT WAS MADE EARLIER! But the technology used in the PSP was already available at the time that the DS was made!!!!! bonk.gif bonk.gif bonk.gif bonk.gif bonk.gif bonk.gif bonk.gif bonk.gif bonk.gif
lappy512
GC, it does seem that the PSP has a better graphics processor compared to the DS.

http://ds.ign.com/articles/605/605207p1.html
http://psp.gamezone.com/gamesell/screens/s22138_2.htm

The screens for the DS version of The Sims 2 are much worse than the screens for the PSP version.
GameClaw_268
It looks that way due to Anti Aliasing, which the DS lacks. It can make worse textures and low polygon counts look better than higher ones even at low settings. Overall, it is going to look better on the PSP. Also, note that Anti-Aliasing is useless for 2D tongue.gif
myscrnnm
QUOTE(lappy512 @ Feb 4 2006, 08:25 PM)
GC, it does seem that the PSP has a better graphics processor compared to the DS.

http://ds.ign.com/articles/605/605207p1.html
http://psp.gamezone.com/gamesell/screens/s22138_2.htm

The screens for the DS version of The Sims 2 are much worse than the screens for the PSP version.
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Finally, someone besides me who uses statistical evidence to back their claims. That's exactly right, lappy. Not to mention the PlayStation Portable mobile entertainment systme is one of very few handheld gaming units to actually use a dedicated GPU.
zombieman3421
well, you never show us your links, so you don't count, but lappy512 does
myscrnnm
QUOTE(zombieman3421 @ Feb 5 2006, 12:07 AM)
well, you never show us your links, so you don't count, but lappy512 does
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I don't need to show my links because they are already right, and if you weren't so lazy and actually did bother to go check it, you would find that I'm right. Not to mention the Internet is not the only source of information in the world. Things can be as varied as books, magazines, newspapers, televisions, et cetera. Again, this shows that you are ignorant since you only consider one method of information to be good. And if I did indeed show my Internet links, you people would just get too embarrassed. And I don't see you people showing any links either, so therefore you also don't count.

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Here they are:

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myscrnnm
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QUOTE(GameClaw_268 @ Jan 30 2006, 07:10 PM)
changing aspect ratios just make it look weird, and would cause eyesight problems. It would also make it incompatible with current DS games.
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Wrong, it would not cause eyesight problems. It would actually take advantage of the natural human eye's structure. This is due to the fact that the human eye has an aspect ratio closer to 16:9 than to 4:3. Which again, is why the PlayStation Portable mobile entertainment system's screen is superior to the DS's. Also, it would not make it incompatible, there would just be black bars at the sides of the top screen, like a normal widescreen television. And I didn't see any Nintendo fanboys complaining when Nintendo changed the aspect ratio of the Game Boy during the transition from the Colour to the Advance. It just goes to show how pathetic you fanboys are.

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This is a Special Edition Post, cuz I had an epiphany about the time of the transitioning of the Game Boys.
GameClaw_268
Myscrnnm, it's the changing aspect ratios. I could create a program which changes the aspect ratio of your screen every 5 seconds. Just try to operate under those conditions without eyesight problems. Might I also add that this is like the SP, it's the same thing as the DS, except smaller. It is not a whole new console, and does not have DS-Lite only games. It's far too soon to be releasing yet another type of handheld.
muffin000
what does the nintendo DS look like?
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couldn't you do a google image search? it's not that hard...
Alecto
Lite's comming out in June. The 11th I believe. The screenie that Myscrnnm posted is old. The public design is nice.
mofuga
i think it might be pretty awsome
Native Pride
The one myscrnnm posted looks like a someone throw it at a duck. The DS lite in the magizines looks much better
chuck
that's because he posted it before nintendo released official pictures of it.
Native Pride
Yes
chuck
QUOTE(Native Pride @ Jul 2 2006, 09:35 PM)
Yes
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no one word posts
myscrnnm
QUOTE(Native Pride @ Jul 2 2006, 09:35 AM)
The one myscrnnm posted looks like a someone throw it at a duck. The DS lite in the magizines looks much better
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You idiot, the pictures I posted of the DS Lite are of the final design that has been released for consumers.
chuck
QUOTE(myscrnnm @ Jul 2 2006, 11:21 PM)
You idiot, the pictures I posted of the DS Lite are of the final design that has been released for consumers.
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unfortunately they are very poor quality photos
myscrnnm
QUOTE(chuck @ Jul 2 2006, 11:49 PM)
unfortunately they are very poor quality photos
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The quality of those photos is probably better than that of your own photography.
chuck
QUOTE(myscrnnm @ Jul 3 2006, 12:05 AM)
The quality of those photos is probably better than that of your own photography.
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if I recall, I never said I could do better, but I would expect better if it was online.
Native Pride
The DS lite is out i have seen one it does not look like that in any way.
chuck
it is exactly the same design, you have just failed to look closely at it.
Native Pride
Except the one that myscrnnm posted was dirty and looked like garbage. The real DS lite was clean pure white
chuck
it was poor quality photography not the actual system that made it look bad.
Native Pride
Yeah but noe where did myscrnnm get the picture. I looked at Goolgle most of the pix are cleanand fresh. He would have went to a site that was trying o make the DS lite look bad
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