Well, since this is the new year, I think it would be a great time to re-evaluate ourselves, in our rules/moderators.

This brings up some points:
1. Is the no-swearing policy needed?
2. Banning: Should our banning policy be more strict, or more lenient?
3. Moderation: Spaceman hasn't been online as much, and Korps Commander has been accused of being biased. Should we switch moderators, or take them off?

If you have any other points, feel free to bring them up as well.

Edit: Oh, and also our webhosting, is our current webhost gettings worse (with the CPU quota errors, and all that)? Should we purchase a VPS or Dedicated server (and if we do, host KL's users too for free or cheaply?)

1. The no-swearing policy is a good one, if you ask me. It lets younger people get on without a problem of being offended.

2. Except for the ban item, banning is great the way it is(you'll know what I mean through previous gtalk conversations)

3. I haven't found KC very biased. He's punished myscrnnm as much as he would anyone else who would do the same things. As far as I've seen, he's been a good moderator.(of course, on HN, he's biased, but that's different)

Spacemandudekidwhateveritisnow seemed like a pretty good mod to me. But it isn't good for mods to be inactive. It puts all the work on the admins(like me on HN). However, I haven't been active enough lately to see how inactive he is ... So I'm gonna hafta stay neutral on that issue... for now.

what about my edit?
Our current host, and it's CPU Quota errors (oh right, you aren't active enough)

1. The no-swearing policy is definitely needed, to stop flamewars from getting too hurtful, above other things.

2. Banning should be more strict. Every time a warn goes up to 100%, a user should be banned for one day AND have 50-100 points taken off.

3. Ditto to Gameclaw_268. (About Spaceman; well, I'm staying neutral too. I don't like him, but, as much as I hate to admit it, he's been a good mod. So I think he stays.)

The no-swearing policy is fine, but there needs to be a good definition of what makes an appropriate substitution word and what doesnt. I'm sick of being shot in the back everytime myscrnnm needs to get revenge, and I havnt even written anything that was against the rules.

Banning... whatever. Maybe you should either up the price of the bail item, or get rid of it alltogether and write a script that decreases one's warn level a point every infraction-free week or something.

Spacey's fine. He does his job when he's here, and if you get rid of him thats one less person modding and a little more work for admins and other mods for the time that he would have been here. KC's doing an allright job himself. I'm not gunna ask that he be stripped of his powers, but I'm not going to be too happy if he becomes myscrnnm's puppet.

I havnt seen any CPU errors for quite some time. I'm perfectly happy with the up-time, but if you have the bread, go for it.

So what do you guys think: how do you define "swearing"

everyone thinks no swearing is a good rule, but we definietely need to clarify that.

Swearing should be defined as... well, we could go with George Carlin's list of sh** piss cu** c***sucker motherf*** da** and tits, but that list is dated.

Yeah, and also there's the issue of myscrnnm (before) going "EXPELETIVE YOUR EXPLETIVE EXPLETIVE" etc, and your "frick, etc", but then what's the border between a$s, arse, and frick, and more serious terms, and just fu**? It's hard to differenciate.

with frick, arse, eff, etc. there needs to be a good definition of what is an appropriate replacement word, I mean, if you want to get rid of frick, then you might as well get rid of darn, dang, frig, fugg, cheese and crackers, jeezum crow, arse, crud, crap, shoot, etc. They arent "bad" words themselves, but they take the place of "bad" words, I mean obviously a$$, and a** are out, because they depict the exact same word, but arse is a different word (a canadian word at that), and butt, behind, rear, etc. are all the same thing. Is a word that sounds very similar to a profane word profane by the similar sounds? Or is it profane because it means the same thing?

arse is simply a different spelling of a**, so it might be considered bad, same connotation, etc. Others, that's why I'm asking the community.

1. No swearing is a good policy but should be a bit more strict

2. Banning is cool but don't get obsessive with it...Myscrmm I am quite sorry is somewhat of a moron but it does not mean that we should kill him...

3. Spaceman was a good mod...I thought that he was a good guy...to me KC is baised for and against..."It is your lucky star that saved you" "I am not going to ban you because you are Hindu" my god any unregiestered person could make up an Indian name and say they are Hindu and KC will treat them like GOD! KC as much as you are biased for me and sometimes against my subtle comments I must say overall I don't think you would make the greatest mod. If ANYONE says that myscrmm should become a mod, I will hunt you down...MARK my words!!! IF anyone should become a new moderator I nominate Gameclaw, HerLoss, or Zombieman

holy ****! Was I just nominated for mod-ship? THERES a scary proposition.


Arse is simply another word for rear, that happens to sound like its profane synonym. It isnt just a different spelling, because the words arent pronounced the same way.

1. Not really, people always just make a way around it. But if you can actually enforce it, go for it.
2. Take off the ban item.
3. They seem fine to me.
4. If you have the $$, go for it.

1. Of course I can't enforce it. I can enforce it to a point. Going on a editing rampage changing things to "Cheese graters" is not the easiest thing, either, and individually warning people, in problem topics, no. (Referring to a topic in Helionet forums, if you don't know)

I'm around more lately, I wasn't around for the past week due to a vacation. I'm also kind of busy with PCHF and Nations, but I still have time for KL...

And thanks to KC for remaining neutral .

Yeah yeah, you're welcome etc.

Ok Lappy I think we could change the swearing policy to be a bit more strict. The following words should be banned:

1. FiretrUCK
2. SHITake Mushrooms
3. Mother F*****
4. Bitc*
5. a$$ (hole)
6. Dam* (should be more leinient on this word depending on if it is dericted at someone or ones own stupidity)
7. Bastar*

8. Assine (idiot)
9. stupid
10. idiot
11. arse
12. anything that seems offensive. And if you really want to be offensive and let your emotions out...(now I am that kinda guy) just create a flame wars forum where all swearing and stupid stuff is allowed in a healthy way without the mods screaming their fickin heads off at us...

The leet forum is one.

"Stupid" and "Idiot" aren't inherently bad, just insulting. Perhaps a ban on insults would be in order?

Arse isn't any worse than butt. It just sounds like... well... that other word for butt. And things such as "Stupid" and "idiot" are what you tell a 3 year old are bad words. By the time someone is old enough to use the internet, at least well enough to come here, "stupid" and "idiot" aren't gonna be considered swearing.

Ok...stupid and idiot are fine...KC though has to be less biased...even Lappy agrees with me to some extent....

Yeah, I'm in agreement there, he tends to warn me and HL more than he warns anyone else.

He warns people who are not Hindu quite a bit and plus you are a mod. He can warn you?!

I warn you THE MOST, and you're Hindu. So its not like I'm just anti-other-religions.

Unfortunately, yes... He can warn me...

Unfortunately? You deserved everything you got.

Not necessarily .

Not a two word post...

BTW, if I wanted to, I could ding you for having a two-word post, even with the useless sentence at the end. That's what lappy used to do; ding peopel for that.

That last sentence didn't even add anything anyways. It might as well have been a two-word post.

So, lets discuss whether the one-word post rule is still relevant to Krazy Letter?

I think that, if asked a simple question, a "No" should be sufficient. But if someone posts something like "cool" randomly on a topic, that should be considered as spam. In other words, it should be at the moderators discretion.

KC you idiot! You are saying that you warn me the most and I am hindu! What the heck you are always like "your lucky star saved you" "since you are hindu i am letting you go" dude if a random person from the other side of the world said that they are hindu you would be so much more biased for them...KC my point is either you be more just and fair or let someone else take your place! Mmmmkkk?!

The one word rule sucks. Take it out

So you can spam up the place? No thanks.

1. Maybe each user should have an option in their UserCP to turn the swear filter on or off?
2. It works.
3. Keep them. I haven't seen KC be biased, but then again I haven't been on much, have I?
4. Don't offer hosting. Stay on the current host, I haven't seen any problems.

1. I'll probably have to do some modding for that, good idea, but I think it will get kinda annoying reading messages that say [bleeped!][bleeped!][bleeped!][bleeped!] or something. Also, mostly flaming comes from people swearing (that I've seen).

4. I don't think I'll offer hosting; I'm thinking of sharing a partial-dedicated server with the owner of PCHelpForum, a new affiliate of KL.

? There's news to me... Man, is it so much to ask that Toby keeps me in the loop?

Well, I'm talking with him.

The main problem about talking with him: he's +8 timezones away from me.

Also, the other problem is that the Virtural Dedicated Server I'm thinking of buying is located in Seattle...perfect for me, and most of the USA/KLForum users, but not as convienent for PCHF's European users. Whatever, it would be faster than the current 1and1 account lol. His current host is really terrible.

Better than LunarHost. I won't get into details, but the LunarHost people were a bunch of retards trying to cheat Toby out of his money by clearly falsifying server stats... We didn't have much choice.

To be perfectly honest, I'm beginning to get antsy about a shared VPS...

Antsy?

And you mean...LunarPages? What do you mean falsifying server stats?

Ugh, I hate this. Can't trust webhosts anymore lol.

I won't say specifics, but some numbers they gave us were probably not real...

I just get nervous when two sites hook up, to me it means lots of problems down the road...

We're just going to share the cost of the Virtural server (if we plan to proceed).

Why can't you say specifics? And by the way, bluehosts servers are much higher quality than LunarPages (they have Quad Opterons, rather than Dual Xeons. )

It's not that I can't, I just don't want to (and I am unsure if I can ). It's not like super-top secret or anything, just don't know...

Just curious how does this relate to rules and mod reevaluation.

It doesn't, it is just a discussion myself and Lappy started...

Well, then get on topic!