Is he a good president?

He's no Clinton, but he's better than Delano.

Hmm... 8 trillion dollar deficit... Nah.

Still, he's better than Delano. And Reagan made us have a deficit too.

Delano was a great man. He got us through the bloodiest war of the 20th century.

Bush is a greedy tyrant.

I agree. But......sigh.....we have him for 3 more years.

He only wants the presidency or whatever for his money- his own profit. His oil and lumber company. He won't do anything at all for the country.

Hasnt done anything for the country in the past 5 years we were stuck with him, wont do anything for the remaining three.

Well, he's getting oil to help the country.....but its still mean.

Wow, as if we didnt have enough already. Just for the record, there is enough oil in reserves to last the country 5 years.

If only myscrnnm was here.........we could relive the old arguments again..........lol.

Its only a matter of time...

Once he sees your name here, then its flame time again.

You might want to buy a ban protection. And the US uses too much oil and lumber anyways.

HA, I think that myscrnnm's gonna use all the ban's that he's collected, on HerLoss.

Anyways, the US needs oil, but needs a different means to get it.

It needs to waste less, is what it needs.

But Americans are unaware and lazy of most everything.

Well, that all depends. Is lappy transferring all old points to the new accounts (prays he isnt)

Everyone should just use oil however the [bleeped!] they want to, cuz its gunna run out either way, and an alternate form of energy WILL be found.

But meanwhile, they might as well stop putting carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, mercury, and various other harmful things into the air.

Hey, I'm totally on board with the whole envoronmental thing, but people just plain arent gunna stop using fossil fuels, and once theyre all gone no one is going to know what to do.

There are sources of energy from like a million types of things on this Earth, but man is just too lazy to employ them...........

Five years. Do you really think that is enough time to phase out gasoline-powered cars?

Who said anything about phasing them out? I'm saying that we dont need to comandeer other countries for oil, cuz we have plenty for the time being.

there are several hydrogen gas stations around the country and hyrdrogen fuel cell cars are almost ready to be released.

And if we phase it out, gasoline use will decline, so the gasoline store could last like 10 years.

Wasnt some group working on seperating the hydrogen from water to use in water to hydrogen-powered cars?

they have made a hyrdogen and biodiesel powered hummer. the only problem ive been able to find with hydrogen right now is that it so far is used to quickly at high speeds (like on highways). But in cities it works pretty well.

they are also working on making hydrogen powered ferries for san francisco

I was under the impression that hydrogen was too unstable to be used as an effective fuel. Has this changed at all?

They would have to be phased out if we do not get more crude oil. Otherwise most of the cars being used at the moment will become useless if we do not upgrade all of them.

Five years ain't enough at all. For once, myscrnnm's right: we need to continue importing oils, until we are ready for the shift. I myself don't think Bush is evil, self-interested, or anything like that. He just isn't president material, that's all.

I'd expect a reasonable time frame would be anywhere from ten to twenty years. And you are right about Bush, I mean, he is not really a bad person, just kind of stupid, or lacking good judgment.

Well, Bush mighta been a bit worse.

Yeah, or we could have ended up with Cheney! Now that wouldn't just be worse, it would be a nightmare!

yes, but if you had a clue you would know that it isnt Bush himself who runs the government, he is a facade behind which a few people control his actions. One of these people is cheney, who along with the others could never have gained power if they didnt use bush.

But we need to find better ways of getting that fuel.

I do indeed have a clue, and many more. The government is set up with three branches of government, the executive, the judicial, and the legislative branches. And they must work in conjunction. So although Bush is not in total control, he has the ability to veto proposals from the legislative branch.

Now that was the most retarded thing I have heard you said. I wasnt speaking in regards to the three branches of this screwed up democracy. I was speaking in regards to people who control bush, using him as a facade. Some of them are in the government, like cheney, and other have no place in the government, only in buisnesses, buisnesses where bush has interests in.

Our democracy is not screwed up. I feel that you take your environment for granted. The government could be a lot worse. For instance, we have the freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and the right to vote. But in some countries, such rights are unheard of.

our government is just as corrupt as the next. I never said I didnt appreciate democracy as a whole, but we DONT have a "freedom" to speak our minds. Patriot Act much? The "right" to vote? The right to vote was taken away from blacks, mexicans, and whites alike during the 2000 election because they lived in areas where bush was known not to be popular. Freedom of religion has done nothing but give people an excuse to force their religion upon others, instead of the government doing it for them.

Our government is corrupt and always has been, just as every other government has. Just because I know these things doesnt mean I dont appreciate how the government appears to help "we the people".

Our government is not as corrupt as a lot of other governments out there. And the Patriot Act is good, because people need to be patriotic.

But it contradicts the freedom of speech, that which you only just tried to make me out as the bad guy for taking for granted. People DONT have to be patriotic, thats the point of free speech. One should be able to speak out against ones government. I support the country and I support our troops, but I dont support their mission and I'm ashamed to be an american.

We have the freedom of speech, but it has to end at some extent. I mean, for instance, you can't just go in public and yell obscenities at everyone.

Why not? What makes them obscenities? Actually, there is nothing against yelling obscenities, or else words like [bleeped!], water-back, spit, etc. would be illigal to use in public, which they obviously arent. The use of obscenitites is perfectly legal. I'm not saying its right to run around a crowded building yelling "fire", but its infringing on a persons right to free speech if they cant speak out against their government. That is the basis of the topic, DONT change it to a mere yelling of obscenities in public.

Bah, everyone over here voted for Bush just cause he promised whopping tax breaks. And you know what, the saddest part is that he actually gave them to the elitist [bleeped!] living everywhere round me. Its sick. Which makes me dislike Bush even more.

Yeah, the thing you quoted mostly happened around florida, georgia, and south carolina.

Thats the way it works. Bush has to cover his [bleeped!] in his buisness interests, and the way to do that is cut taxes to big buisnesses and tax the piss out of small buisnesses. In all seriousness, between the state and the US government my buisness pays almost 1/3 of its earnings in income taxes, and thats before I pay myself and get taxed for that.

Yeah, I know about the mess-up that happened over there. Strange that Jeb Bush is governor of that state......

Yep, See http://www.spikedhumor.com/Article.aspx?id=744 for funny related video.

I mean, Bush wouldn't really rig an election, would he? He'd have too much to lose.

Whose to say elections havnt been rigged in the past? I'm willing to bet that there has never been an entirely fair election.