onceuponatime
Dec 28 2005, 11:22 PM
After all the Sci-Fi movies that have come out recently (I, Robot; Stealth; The Matrix; etc) I wonder about Artificial Intelligence.
Let's keep it scientific and academic, shall we? I know it can be hard, but refrain from descending to low insults and personal attacks. This is just pure discussion.
Korps Commander
Dec 28 2005, 11:27 PM
Artificial Intelligence is the best way to go forward, especially military uses, I think. AI will never revolt anyways; remember, computers are only as smart as you want it to be. And there's no reason to be careful with AI; robots don't have a mind of their own - and as I said before, think of what they could do with military uses. If a nation were to assemble an army of AI, there would be no stopping us from conquering the world.
onceuponatime
Dec 28 2005, 11:42 PM
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AI will never revolt anyways; remember, computers are only as smart as you want it to be. And there's no reason to be careful with AI; robots don't have a mind of their own
I agree with you on computers are only as smart as you want them to be.
But (correct me if I'm wrong) I was under the impression that having Intelligence, a sentient mind, meant that you
do have a mind of your own. And if you have intelligence and a mind of your own, then evolution is possible, isn't it?
Korps Commander
Dec 28 2005, 11:46 PM
Sure, evolution is possible. But what I was mainly focusing on is that fact that computers won't have feelings. Even if they think for themselves and know how to survive on their own, but they can never love, never hate, never cry. They won't understand the concept of feeling, unless you program to - and that means that they don't do it on their own, just what you want them to.
onceuponatime
Dec 28 2005, 11:52 PM
So, you think that it's not possible to evolve feelings, ethics, and morals? I guess the programmers would just program morals (What do do, What not to do) into the AI and then that would be it.
But I thought achieving Sentience also meant achieving not only intelligence, but free wil and perception. By evolving, one would be able to build upon past experiences, learning knowledge (including new forms of ethics and morals different from original programming) and eventually, surpassing the creator of the so-called AI.
This is purely hypothetical, of course.
myscrnnm
Dec 28 2005, 11:53 PM
I voted yes, cuz it can benefit us. And "rebellion"s could merely be bugs that can easily be remedied. But as with nuclear weapons, there is is risk of having the terrorists get hold of the stuff. But it is a small price to pay to have AI.
Spaceman3750
Jan 3 2006, 02:37 PM
I really don't have an opinion. As long as it's not going to turn around and kill me, I'm all for it, but I think it is way too difficult to build a chip that can effectively respond on its own to very dynamic circumstances.
Mynck
Jan 3 2006, 04:25 PM
The chances of an AI revolting and killing people are about equal to the chances of getting a virus from opening an image.
So, in other words, if it's made as well as Microsoft made Windows, then yes, it will revolt and kill us all.
And also, AI doesn't necessarily mean conscious, self-aware, and sentient.
And how would evolution happen? There's no way for natural selection to occur. Unless we let them build themselves. Which we won't. Since we're programming them and all, we can make it so that they can't.
Spaceman3750
Jan 3 2006, 05:53 PM
Mynck
Jan 3 2006, 06:37 PM
Yup. At least if Microsoft makes it.

There were similar incidents before with other types of images too.
mnm1200
Jan 3 2006, 08:27 PM
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myscrnnm
Jan 4 2006, 07:37 PM
QUOTE(mnm1200 @ Jan 3 2006, 08:27 PM)
I like the concept of AI, but who knows what would happen if there is a software glitch or they get hacked, etc? Machines can be made stronger, faster, and adapt quicker than us. Matrix anyone?
I think that hacking is inevitable, and since we have put up with it in stuff such as the Internet, we can put up with it with AI when it arises.
Mynck
Feb 25 2006, 03:25 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SentienceAccording to this definition, a laptop with a webcam hooked up to it is sentient.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SapienceAccording to this definition, a laptop with a webcam that processes the recieved image, builds a virtual model of the percieved world, then is able to process the ways in which it could interact with the world as well as cause-effect relationships and such like that, is sapient.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ApperceptionAccording to this, a laptop with memories of cause-effect relationships and pattern-matching abilities and matches events to patterns in its memory in a way that allows it to predict the outcome, is apperceptive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-awarenessIf the above laptop stores its own actions into that cause-effect memory bank and is able to know what it's doing and thinking, then it's self-aware.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SubjectivityWow. That's not much of an article. Okay, so, if the laptop is able to process how the things that it percieves affects its existance and the achievement of its goals, then it's subjective.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EmpathyIf the laptop is able to do the same thing as under subjectivity, except to someone else's existance and the achievement of someone else's goals, then it's empathetic. It can find out some of someone else's goals by applying the knowledge gained through its own self-consciousness to someone else's situation.
Did I miss anything?
onceuponatime
Feb 25 2006, 11:22 PM
That's a nice list of links, mynck. Thanks.
Mynck
Feb 26 2006, 12:35 AM
If that was serious, well, they're all Wikipedia.
If not, then, sure, whatever.
-----Edit-----
I just realized that I forgot language. As a way to communicate internally. Pretty important. I'm not sure if it's possible to make a computer that understands a language if it doesn't already have a language.
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