So, what exactly is fate? BTW - contrary to myscrnnm's belief, this cannot be proven through science.

Fate, simply put, means that a God decides what you do in life, and, in Christian belief, whether you go to He11 or not.

Looking at it from a scientific standpoint, fate can be explained. There are many factors that cause different things to happen in one's life, but those factors are influenced by other factors that are again influenced by even more factors. One might be fated to be the way that they are because of their parent's way of parenting, which is the effect of their parents parenting, and so on. You may be fated to die at an early age because of some illness that is passed to you because of other factors that are influenced by even more factors. Everything can be seen from the perspective of a set of causes and effects.

When you use that definition, then there is no fate. Not to mention hell is not filtered cuz it is not a swear word.

The only thing that might be exempt from that scientic definition of fate, is radioactive decay, and other such quantum physics stuff.

Here, I will paste in a paragraph I did for English class about what my opinion of fate is. @myscrnnm: No flaming me for this, and no telling me it is incorrect, there really is no "correct" definition of fate.

I wasn't going to say anything anyway.

So for non-believers, going to He11 makes you come closer to God, huh?

Read the paper. Going to Hell would be a direct result of your actions (or lack therof)(not accepting Jesus Christ).

You're telling me to read the paper? At the end, you said "Simply, fate is simply the path that God chooses for you that will in some way make your life better or bring you closer to him." So therefore, making it your fate to be sent to He11 is God's way of making you be closer to him.

I expect there is no hell. I mean, who's to say there is? The only hell that I know of is in life. Humans have made their lives more complicated by trying to simplify it. Just watch The Gods Must be Crazy and you'll know what I mean.

KC, going to Hell is your choice because you CHOSE not to accept Jesus Christ.

But you said that God makes your fate to get closer than you, which is obvioulsy not the case in non-believers.

And how can you support fate and choice simultaneously, anyways?

Actually, since that paper, my views of fate have changed. I actually lean more towards Mynck's theory of fate than the one stated in that paper...

Since there is no "correct" definition of fate, we can define it from whatever view we wish.

The question: My first paragraph answers that...

But the thing is, he won't be going to hell either way because there is no hell, and you can't go to a place that doesn't exist. I mean sure, it can exist in your head, but he can't go in your head.

You cant say there is no hell, because there is no proof that it doesnt exist, just as there is no proof that it does. As far as fated to [bleeped!]ation, if God chooses a sinful path for you, you have just become fated to eternal [bleeped!]ation. The heck with believing in Jesus, if God chooses your general path, and that path happens to be a sinful one, it isnt your fault, cuz thats what God chose for you.

I am not supportive of this talk. I mean, God didn't choose me for anything. I was born, end of story.

You can believe whatever the hech you want, but that doesnt mean that there isnt a god and that he didnt chose your life, it also doesnt mean that he does and did.

So the Christians should not speak of what they don't know. It's one thing to contemplate, but another to declare it.

You do realize that that sentence can be applied to you as well?

It doesn't work against me because the Christians started it.

You arrogant .....

You are a hypocritical idiot who wouldn't know fact if it came up and took a bite out of your butt.

You cannot definitely prove that there is no supreme being. You can't. So while you are telling Christians to shut up, you can do so while you are at it, because just as we cannot prove there is a supreme being, you cannot disprove it. Therefore, according to the logic you used in the thread about everyone being biased against Sony, it must be fact.

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First of all, I can prove that the Japanese are supreme beings.

And exactly how can you do that? Because we cannot disprove it?

Exactly. And I have also provided evidence of their superiority.

OK, so, by your logic, God MUST exist because it cannot be disproved .

No, because there is no evidence suggesting that he does exist. Except the Bible, but I mean, it has been disproven cuz people have been sent into the sky and there is no God found so far.

Right, so far. Anyways, maybe when jesus and moses and whoever else "ascended into heaven" what the "witnesses" saw was them being sucked into some inter-dimentional vortex that brought them to some extra-universal place that is heaven.

Now, science does not lie. There are things called theories. In science, we do not claim that theories are true, we say that they might be true, there's a difference. It's not really lying when it's not declared it to be true, it is a mere possibility. Unlike the Christians, who say that there is no doubt about it.

No, you said that it was definitly not true. If you had said that current data strongly suggests this not to be true, then theres your theory. I, in saying maybe, theorized the whole vortex thing.

Well there's some contradictory thinking if you ask me...

@Theories: OK, so then the Theory of Evolution .

So what about my vortex to another dimention theory? Does that sound plausible, I mean, it would explain how one might appear to be "ascending into heaven," (whether or not this second universe is actually heaven or not) and yet there be no evidence of a heaven or god in our own sky?

I will take that over nothing, because I really have no theory regarding that . Yes, that actually does sound plausible, except I can't exactly figure out how one small object could get sucked in by a vortex and nothing else around it...

God's divine powers? *shrug* lol

myscrnnm, I want you to stand up for your hypocrisy. Or are you too afraid that you have backed yourself into a corner?

He wont. Once he realizes that he screwed up, he refuses to continue an argument, and will then change the subject, and then when asked will argue that the previous argument was off topic and that we need to get back on topic.

myscrnnm, stand up for your actions and face the fact that you just got pawned like a man. The tell-tale sign of a hypocrite is when he doesn't stand up for his actions.

Ha! When he does that I'll stop drinking MT. Dew for a whole day.

LOL. Hey, take a look at my siggie, I modded your kittie sig...

If the Christian faith of FATE is real then you are just merely God's pawn. In other words God knows what is going to happen to you and is just sitting on his couch with a bag of chips waiting for your destiny to come true. However, hindu philosophy states that you are NOT God's pawn but must decide your own karma. If you do good then you get good and vice versa. I believe that the idea of your fate is ALREADY sealed is false and that humans must choose there own destiny. Wherther or not fate is real the ultimate goal of human life, according to Hindus is that we must god back to "GOD" and become one with bliss.

Right on! I dont really have anything against KC, but heres to free speech!!

OK then. You have two ways to go home from work. You chose Way A, and you are killed in a car accident? Was that fate? Someone else's actions had a major effect on your life, which you had virtually no control over.



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